It is not written that there shall be no end to this torment, but it is written endless torment. . . . it is written eternal damnation<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
On the surface, this doesn’t make sense. Jesus is saying that the scriptures don’t say there shall be no end<\/em> to the “weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth” of those consigned to damnation (see verse 5). Yet he also says the scriptures say there will be endless<\/em> torment.<\/p>\nHow can it be with an end and endless at the same time? It seems like a mystery.<\/p>\n
Luckily, he says in verse 8: I will explain unto you this mystery. The explanation follows in verses 10?\u00a2\u201a\u00c7\u00a8\u201a\u00c4\u00fa12:<\/p>\n
I am endless, and the punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, for Endless is my name. Wherefore, eternal punishment is God?\u00a2\u201a\u00c7\u00a8\u201a\u00d1\u00a2s punishment. Endless punishment is God?\u00a2\u201a\u00c7\u00a8\u201a\u00d1\u00a2s punishment.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
It seems then that Jesus is saying there’s no such thing as unending punishment in the afterlife. In other words, punishment in the afterlife has an end.<\/p>\n
This is interesting when we take verses 16?\u00a2\u201a\u00c7\u00a8\u201a\u00c4\u00fa17 into consideration:<\/p>\n
I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; but if they would not repent they must suffer even as I.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
All this brings a question to mind.<\/p>\n
If Jesus’s suffering redeemed those of us who repented, does that mean the suffering of the unrepentant will eventually redeem them since the suffering will have an end? If so, will they have the opportunity to change kingdoms after they are redeemed?<\/p>\n
Can someone who is consigned to the Telestial Kingdom for murder redeem himself through his own suffering and then go on to inherit the Celestial Kingdom?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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