Comments on: Do Mormons really believe in prophet fallibility? https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:17:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/#comment-225533 Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:17:19 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225533 That last comment is at the crux of the post: being able to determine what are the words that proceed forth from the mouth of God.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225270 Thu, 16 Jul 2015 04:27:54 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225270 In reply to samuelthelamanite.

Thanks for your opinion.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225268 Thu, 16 Jul 2015 04:27:06 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225268 In reply to samuelthelamanite.

I’m not getting caught up in the fluff. I’m trying to determine what we need to do with the fluff? Are we free to ignore it? Are we obliged to accept it?

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By: samuelthelamanite https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225267 Thu, 16 Jul 2015 04:24:36 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225267 One last comment. I do not believe Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Ezra Taft Benson, or any other modern day prophet is fallible in regards to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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By: samuelthelamanite https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225266 Thu, 16 Jul 2015 04:16:44 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225266 How so? If you accept that theory as true, will you not be exalted? If you accept it as false, will you not be exalted? What if you’re still waiting for further light and knowledge. Will you not be exalted?

You are trying to argue about 1 point of 1 principle (faith in God the Father) of the Gospel of Christ. From my understanding we need to know and have faith in His attributes and characteristics, not whether he is Adam or not. Is He unchanging? Is He omnipotent? Is He all-knowing? You are getting caught up in the fluff.

I can’t yet figure out why you are writing these posts. Are you a wolf in sheep’s clothing trying to sow the seeds of doubt among members. Or do you just like sensational topics as a type of propaganda to draw people to your blog? Or do you honestly believe the prophets will lead us away from God?

Whatever your reasons, I will put my trust in President Monson; that his teachings will guide my journey on this earth.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225264 Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:14:07 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225264 In reply to samuelthelamanite.

So, it’s okay for them to teach principles and ideas outside of the Gospel of Christ?

Regarding teachings that affect my salvation, well, going back to the Adam God theory, Brigham Young and several of the 12 at the time taught that Adam was the only God with whom we should deal with. That would seems to have significant implications on my salvation.

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By: samuelthelamanite https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225263 Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:45:28 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225263 I never said that. Question for you. Has a prophet ever taught something that has negatively affected your own salvation? And if so, what are they teaching that if you would do it, would keep you out of exaltation? Or are they infallible in that aspect?

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225262 Thu, 16 Jul 2015 00:14:32 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225262 In reply to samuelthelamanite.

So, do I understand you correctly that you think the prophets and apostles shouldn’t teach anything outside of the Gospel of Christ?

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By: samuelthelamanite https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225261 Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:41:03 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225261 Your arguing about points of the principles of the Doctrine of Christ. Adam-God theory has no relevance to my personal salvation, whether I accept it or not or whether it is correct or not. Like I said, when the prophets start to teach against or contrary to the Gospel of Christ I will be concerned.

A good example I use to teach this is thus: Draw a large circle on a piece of paper. This represents the churches teachings. Now draw a smaller circle inside and center of the large circle. This represents the Gospel of Christ. Everything outside the small circle, but still inside the larger one is the “fluff”. Good to know but not relevant to salvation. Put a few points in this area. One can represent Adam God Theory. Another can represent covering heads, and so forth.

Now put some points inside the smaller circle. One can be baptism. Another can be faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ. Have any of the prophets ever been fallible on these points, or rather, about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I will argue til the end of days that the answer is NO.

I wish everyone who criticizes our leaders would understand that prophets are here to teach the Gospel of Christ, and not the fluff. The fluff can and will change as societies change, as we get further light and knowledge, and according to how leaders interpret as individuals the scriptures.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2015/05/24/do-mormons-really-believe-in-prophet-fallibility/comment-page-1/#comment-225259 Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:44:46 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=3010#comment-225259 In reply to samuelthelamanite.

And what of the examples I provided above?

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