Comments on: Why I don’t think Jesus was perfect

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 02:30:48 +0000

In reply to Someone. I’ve thought in the past about how much of a role the resurrection played in changing him from an imperfect person in Matthew to a perfect one in 3 Nephi. I, too, think it played a significant role, but I also think he wasn’t just referring to a physical completeness.

By: Someone

Someone — Thu, 26 Mar 2015 16:40:10 +0000

Obviously the Resurrection is not the only difference but it the icing on the cake. Perhaps working out the Atonement perfected and completed Jesus too, just as his Atonement and it’s enabling grace perfect us. But the Resurrection takes away the last remaining difference between Jesus and His Father. He now has an immortal and perfect body like His Father. So in 3 Nephi He can truly say… I want you to be perfect just like me and my Father whereas in Matthew he could only ask us to be perfect like His Father. Having become become exactly like His Father the teleios you referred to is now complete.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Wed, 25 Mar 2015 03:27:27 +0000

In reply to Someone. Do you think resurrection is the only difference?

By: Someone

Someone — Tue, 24 Mar 2015 23:02:46 +0000

What is different between the Palestine Sermon on the Mount and the Sermon at the Temple in the Americas is the resurrection. The resurrection is what completed Jesus making Him, perfect, complete and finished.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:17:14 +0000

In reply to Marsha. Good point. The fact that he progressed from grace to grace until he had received a fullness encourages me in my efforts to become better. It also assures me that he truly understands our mortal trials.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:13:49 +0000

In reply to Patti. But what do you mean by “perfect life”?

By: Marsha

Marsha — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 07:48:50 +0000

Thank you for exploring the background behind the use of “perfect” in this context. Whether or not Christ was sin-free or complete, it is interesting and thought-provoking to contemplate how either or both interpretations could apply to us. At this point in my life, with the temptations of *major sins* long past, the notion of completeness and this injunction to us is especially compelling.

By: Patti

Patti — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 06:11:22 +0000

In reply to Kim Siever. Jesus led a perfect life by being in perfect accordance with the will of His Father - at all times, every hour of everyday. If it were not do, he would not have been able to offer Himself as a perfect sacrifice. A perfect sacrifice which required a perfect lamb. Nothing you cite in your post contradicts the notion that he led a perfect life. Yet that is the assertion you made. Your arguments don't support your conclusion.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 04:30:31 +0000

So, back to my question. What do you mean by perfect life and why do you think he led one?

By: Patti

Patti — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 04:27:15 +0000

I guess I don’t understand the point of this post and why you would title it so provokingly “Why I don’t think Jesus was perfect.” It has an air of dismissiveness, as though somehow Jesus is “over-rated.”