Comments on: Whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same

By: John Zimmerman

John Zimmerman — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 16:39:46 +0000

“Christ gives the authority to judge His apostles only to the First Presidency,” – true with respect to judging them with regard to their membership. That does not mean we cannot judge their words or deeds. In fact, the Lord expects us to judge the words and deeds of them and the prophet – the words to be judged by the gift Holy from judgment – only God has earned that, The only mandate is to judge righteously.

By: John Zimmerman

John Zimmerman — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 16:15:23 +0000

In reply to R. Gary. It is about both authority and fallibility in since we are not expected to follow had counsel which we have the Holy Ghost for as he sorts out the two.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Sat, 18 Nov 2017 03:53:44 +0000

In reply to Public. I was enlightening others. That was the entire point of the post. If you want to call someone out for contention, maybe start with the people who started disagreeing with me in the comments.

By: Public

Public — Sat, 18 Nov 2017 02:13:33 +0000

I think that one of the fallacies with the original interpretation, as you said, is that the verse is taken out of context. However, the position you have taken on this verse and the comments made seem to only crush others’ faith and trust in the Lord, not to lift them up and enlighten them.
I fear that most “radical” movement or opinions focus on destruction, merely tearing down what other people believe in, what they understand, and what they know. Throwing up BY saying that people could have lived on the sun is not going to help any of us get closer to Christ. It’s not going to help us love our neighbor, and it sure as heck isn’t going to teach us anything relevant to our eternal salvation.
If we know anything about God, and what has been taught in the Book of Mormon (specifically Alma and Helaman) it’s that doctrinal contentions never strengthened the members, but only turned them on each other. Granted, we all have opinions, but God only has one. We need to strive to gain light from the Lord, and even though some people seem to misunderstand what the Lord teaches, we shouldn’t beat them over the head into submission.
That being said, perhaps we can strive to enlighten others instead of politely arguing with them.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:49:09 +0000

In reply to John. Some people interpret it that way.

By: John

John — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:34:22 +0000

Does this scripture also refer to our Stake, Ward & Branch Leaders also?

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:47:06 +0000

In reply to Kevin. That's the date of Official Declaration 2.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 17:02:28 +0000

In reply to Kim Siever.

Have always wondered about “canonization.” Your reference may be common knowledge, but I’m unfamiliar with the significance of 1978 date… could you expand on it’s importance?

By: Log

Log — Fri, 24 May 2013 23:09:06 +0000

And, finally, suppose that the Lord hasn’t changed. Suppose that once again, as has happened throughout scripture, he begins raising up prophets from among the lay members and not the leadership.

How would these prophets be known?

From whence would their authority come?

How would they obtain authority?

How would they be received?

Would they say “All is well in Zion, yea, Zion prospereth, all is well!”, or, perhaps, “The Church is moving forward and continually improving!”?

Would they say “God has created all men, and God has redeemed all men, and in the end, all men (except, possibly, the sons of perdition whose numbers may be counted on the thumbs of one hand) shall be saved in a kingdom of God.”?

Would they say “Nobody’s perfect, so eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are not perfectly clean when we die, God will beat us with few stripes and in the end we shall be exalted in the Celestial Kingdom!”?

Would they say “trust in the Brethren, for they cannot lead you astray!”?

By: Log

Log — Fri, 24 May 2013 22:53:27 +0000

In sum: is there a calling in the Church which guarantees a man *is* the Lord’s servant?

Was Judas, who was called to the Holy Apostleship, a servant of the Lord?

Is John the Baptist an example of a servant of the Lord having no calling in the Church?

Why do we trust in men, and make flesh our arm, rather than purifying our lives and crying mightily unto the Lord to be redeemed from the Fall, and being made his servants, that we may speak forth and fulfill his words?

Can it be that for the most part, our religion is vain?