Comments on: Can we save ourselves? Aaron doesn’t think so.

By: Log

Log — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:03:38 +0000

That is one of the most important papers FARMS ever published. Here’s the other one: http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=5&num=2&id=123

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:07:20 +0000

In reply to Log. Thank you for the link, Log!

By: Log

Log — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:15:34 +0000

Here’s a paper which, while not perfect, throws a lot of light on the “grace vs. works” “debate”.

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=3&num=1&id=53

By: Log

Log — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:49:15 +0000

The “after” in “after all we can do” is an old English idiom meaning “despite”.

Nephi and Alma and Paul agree in one.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:05:26 +0000

In reply to Bart. I donâ€t think you see it at all, Bart; Iâ€m not struggling with it in the least. Many Mormons do struggle with trying to reconcile grace and works. Why do you assume I have not already considered the possibility the Book of Mormon is false?

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:04:01 +0000

In reply to Anonymous. Excellent point, Anonymous, and thanks for that scripture.

By: Bart

Bart — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:14:54 +0000

I see you struggling to make sense of 2 Nephi 25:23 “saved by grace, after all we can do”

Please consider the possibility that the Book of Mormon is false and that this doctrine is not true. The most simple answer is where the truth is found.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:57:46 +0000

The simple answer to your question, can we save ourselves, is no. If there was not Atonement there is no possible way we could be saved. The only way to do it by yourself is to live the law perfectly and none of us can do that. The fact that Mormons even debate such questions are why most Christians don’t think Mormons are Christians.

What is all we can do? Alma says it is repent.

Alma 24:11
11 And now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and the many murders which we have committed, and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stainâ€”

By: Sam Mosby

Sam Mosby — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:11:04 +0000

“we partly save ourselves, then Jesus does the rest.”
Why we must be saved, we are all god creations, mby all of us together are God itself, million copies, million alternatives. Well if we meant to be saved, that’s just possible only threw Love.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:22:37 +0000

In reply to Tom O.. Why do you think willful obedience is necessary?