Comments on: Laws of the Land https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:55:26 +0000 hourly 1 By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126485 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:55:26 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126485 My best guess is that if a particular government actually required all organizations that perform marriages to perform same-sex marriages, then the Church would probably cease to perform marriages in that place and perform them elsewhere (while seeking, lawfully and patiently, to change the law).

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126484 Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:53:20 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126484 Kim, I do think there’s a difference between the abandonment of polygamy and the hypothetical performing of same-sex marriages.

We abandoned polygamy because the Lord told his prophet to bring it to an end. Clearly, this revelation came in answer to the circumstances faced at the time, including the conflict with the US government over the question. It’s worth noting, however, that President Woodruff said he would have gone right on with the practice but for that revelation.

In the case of performing same-sex marriages, I don’t think we would do it unless the Lord revealed to his prophet that we should. In addition, there’s a difference between ceasing to do something you wish to continue and beginning to engage in a practice you don’t want to take part in.

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By: Anonymous https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126224 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:02:26 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126224 I believe the answer would be:

First follow the prophet and then if he is silent seek personal revelation.

That would solve most difficulties.

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By: Anonymous https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126223 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:56:36 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126223 The question is difficult to answer because the so much is unknown.

If the law required you to bow down to a graven image would you do it?

If the law required you to commit adultery would you do it?

If the law said you can’t pray would you do it? Think of Daniel in the Lion’s den?

The problem I have is that even without such wicked and stupid laws as I proposed above I still have trouble being righteous.

I give in to peer pressure, false gods, vain philosophies without any legal compulsion at all.

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By: Brent Hartman https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126215 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:08:59 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126215 The answer to this can be found in the 98th section of the Doctrine and Covenants.

“And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil…And I give unto you a commandment, that ye shall forsake all evil and cleave unto all good, that ye shall live by every word which proceedeth forth out of the mouth of God.”

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126212 Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:22:53 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126212 Then we do it.

When the law required we stop practicing polygamy, we stopped it. I see no difference.

I think a good example of following the law of the land is the Church in East Germany. By using diplomatic means instead of lawlessness, the Church was able to get a temple in a country run by an oppressive regime, and to get members to serve full time missions.

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By: Tyler M https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126209 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:16:25 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126209 OK how about in the unlikely event that the laws of the land require us as a church to marry same sex couples?

I realize that we do not have that requirement now, but what if that were to become the case?

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126207 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:57:37 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126207 Follow the laws of God when they follow the laws of the land. I cannot think of an instance when he expects us to do something illegal.

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By: Sally https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126206 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:50:46 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126206 so you are saying Jeff to NOT follow the laws of God?

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By: Sally https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2009/12/09/laws-of-the-land/comment-page-1/#comment-126203 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:00:23 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=2190#comment-126203 no my question is if the laws of the land differ from the ?laws of God and he tells you to live of Him you have to follow the laws of the land.. but when one does not go hand in hand then whose do you fioller

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