So my lesson was muddled due to the last minute changes so I am not sure if I failed you point above or not. I never mentioned women are great, but I did focus on how we can improve as an EQ and men.

I want to preface this comment with the fact that I think women are exceptional but no less human than men. I would hope that men, as a whole, strive for the same excellency.

You start off complaining men are perceived as being selfish in Mormon culture. Now you completely agree with Tyler that men are becoming dependant, lazy, ignorant?

If we tell a child day in and day out over several years that he or she is stupid, they’re going to believe it. Why should adult men be any different.

I haven’t been around for a very long time, but being able to serve as EQP twice at ten years apart allowed me to see a bit of this. There is a difference between the generation of men coming into elders quorum now, and the generation of men that was there when I was first called.

The sad thing is that just like it took many years to get to this point, it’s going to take many years to stop and reverse it.

I agree with many of the posters that we need to elevate each other. I see far too much comparing going on. Women are not better just because they are better than men, especially if the opinions of mainstream society are to be believed about the character of men. This is a damning behaviour that only reduces the ability for humankind to progress.

Another consequence of this behaviour is that men start to believe the stigmatism and become what they are being characterised as. I am certain that in the search for equality among the sexes that the last thing that women want is a dependant, lazy, ignorant man. Unfortunately that is what men are becoming.

Actually it wasn’t RS. Our RS lesson was great, no male bashing at all. The lesson focused on how we should better ourselves and be more like Christ. What Kim refers to is men putting themselves down in order to make women look better. So his Priesthood lesson was about that.

Yes, I hear that all the time. Men love to put women on a pedestal while criticising themselves. You know, like joking about how they do their hometeaching on facebook while their wives never miss a month of visiting teaching.

Since I have 8 sons, I don’t like male bashing, even when they do it to themselves, which they do constantly, as a joke. But then I like it even less when it’s done by women.