Comments on: Virtue

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:54:36 +0000

Its an indicator of one's moral uprightness

Agreed, not the only indicator.

By: Yuva

Yuva — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:00:17 +0000

Its not totally incongruous to compare chastity with purity because chastity is a subset of morality. Its an indicator of one's moral uprightness. A person who is moral will not indulge in sexual activities and not the other way.

By: TStevens

TStevens — Tue, 26 May 2009 13:52:47 +0000

May be they will be punished like in the Holy Grail.

By: rick

rick — Mon, 25 May 2009 17:56:18 +0000

"Delaying repentance compounds guilt."

...and also delays punishment, as every adolescent knows. Thus the catch 22.

By: HeidiAnn

HeidiAnn — Thu, 21 May 2009 22:54:42 +0000

They aren't just "pretty words" and the expressions of love are real. I really do love the young women I serve, and if they commit sexual sin (acting as a teenager as you say), I would, and do, love them just as much. I want to teach them that part of life sometimes is sacrificing what you want in the moment (sexual gratification) for the opportunity for something better (temple marriage). That principle applies to a lot more than just chastity. And I don't like the idea that breaking the law of chastity is acting like a teenager. I don't think confessing sins to the Lord and the Bishop compounds guilt, indeed it lifts it off our shoulders and gives us hope. Delaying repentance compounds guilt.

By: rick

rick — Thu, 21 May 2009 21:32:24 +0000

"We want them to know that repentance isn't about being punished..."

But they will be punished.

They know they'll be punished (possibly also outing their partner) and all the pretty words and expressions of love aren't going to do much for someone who is worried about the 'grave' sin of acting like a teenager isn't going to stop a young woman from lying like a teenager; now compounding the guilt.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Thu, 21 May 2009 21:17:46 +0000

We want to teach them that chastity is one of many aspects of a virtuous young woman.

Which I think is great.

Too bad you arenâ€t in the Young Women presidency for the girls in the video. Nearly every one in the video seems to define virtue as â€œchastityâ€.

By: TStevens

TStevens — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:36:31 +0000

So I am to understand that this sex thing among the young people is only now a problem? I am pretty sure generations of youth have been battling the chastity issue.

My mom always said patience is a virtue, so I always took virtue to mean a list of good traits as opposed to just chasity. Being sex free doesn't make you a virtuous person in and of itself.

By: HeidiAnn

HeidiAnn — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:32:33 +0000

So, is the issue one of vocabulary, or what the young women are to be taught? And I promise you, we do teach all aspects of virtue, at least in my ward. Virtue in thought, deed, speech, etc., correct? Absolutely, yes. You're absolutely right! In fact, the theme for the youth this year, "Be thou an example..." fits really well with that. I think one reason they chose the word "virtue" is the connection it has to "strength." We want to teach them that chastity is one of many aspects of a virtuous young woman.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:37 +0000

Letâ€s assume you are right, and we need to teach our children chastity and a reverence for marital sex.

Why not make the eighth value chastity instead of virtue? If what we want to teach the young women is to be chasteâ€”the definition of which can be argued as we are doing for virtueâ€”then we should have that as the new value.

If we are going to keep virtue as the new value, then perhaps we should be teaching all aspects of it, rather than just one.