Comments on: BYU is Denying Chad Hardyâ€™s Degree

By: Rebecca

Rebecca — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:36:00 +0000

I have had so many tickets in the past, I cannot believe it, lucky me I disputed some of them.

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:07:05 +0000

Do all Mormons want to revise history and remove anything they dislike or, as they might see more justifyiable, anything they deem wrong?

It would be horrible if people, now or in the future, ever found out that people (who behaved in such ways) would be associated with them.

Unless, of course, you think it's to your advantage to keep it on the record.

He-he.

By: rick

rick — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:09:11 +0000

I was talking about 'real' sports, Jeff :P

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:08:05 +0000

Don't forget to give some love to the swim teams, track teams, and volleyball teams. I imagine they have Judo and soccer too.

By: rick

rick — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:05:46 +0000

It depends... are they on the football/basketball team? ;)

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:11:23 +0000

Oh and I was wrong, I guess his excommunication was directly related to that. But I wonder how non members can attend, since that wouldn't apply to them. Rules are different for them, I guess?

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:09:58 +0000

Well there ya go.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:04:18 +0000

If they were unjust though, I am sure he can contest it and bring a lawyer into the picture.

Which he plans to do apparently.

By: Steve M

Steve M — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:25:17 +0000

I'm not particularly embarrassed by BYU's actions, i'm more embarrassed by those stupid calendars...

Why? The calendar is just a series of pictures of shirtless guys. You can see just as many male nipples at the Deseret Towers pool on any given summer day. It's a silly reason to kick someone out of the Church, and it's a silly reason to deny someone a degree.

Look, we all know that BYU's policies justify withholding Hardy's diploma. That's great. But BYU's actions nonetheless make it look petty. I mean, seriously, can you imagine Notre Dame doing something similar? Not in a million years.

Am I ashamed of my alma mater? Hell yes I am. But I'm growing used to it.

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:51:24 +0000

Is it verified that the reason he was denied his degree was due to his being excommunicated?"

As far as I know, the church has not made any official statements in regards Chad Hardy's situation. All we have to go by is his website and the various news organizations that are running the story.

From Chad's MySpace page:

Chad received a letter dated Sept 30 from BYU informing him that his name has been removed from the Aug 15 graduation because he was excommunicated from the church prior to the posting of his degree.

From the AP article (linked above):

A Sept. 30 letter from BYU Executive Director of Student Academic & Advisement Services Norman B. Finlinson states that a nonacademic hold was placed on Hardy's record after the university learned of the excommunication.

It sounds like membership has everything to do with it.

Moral or legal, the university would have to follow the laws.

I think you missed my point. My point in bringing up the difference between the word "unjust" in a moral sense versus a legal sense is this:

If it is unjust in the legal sense, then justice could be served by forcing the university to give him his degree through legal channels.

If it is unjust only in the moral sense (ie. my moral compass says the right thing for them to do is award the degree) then it's unjust but the university is not compelled to give him anything because by the letter of the law, they don't have to.