It’s possible that the GA’s saw Canada as a lost cause

I think that’s Rick’s point.

It’s possible that the GA’s saw Canada as a lost cause, while California is seen as a possible win. But I’m just speculating.

The logic used in your post does not promote a ban on gay marriage – it demands that gays be allowed to marry and adopt.

To follow your logic, it would be in the world’s best interest to allow gays to marry and adopt or in the case of lesbian marriages, allow for artificial insemination; if for no other reason than it would, as a whole, reduce the amount of selfishness in society.

Now to address your ‘growth of homosexuality before the fall’ line of thinking. You must consider that as societies become more enlightened, they generally become more accepting and possess more empathy toward their fellow man.

In an environment of acceptance and safety, it is much more likely that gay and lesbian couples would be ‘out’ and not hide their actual sexual preferences.

The perception of an increase in the homosexual portion of these societies would be because when it was less safe to be homosexual, they hid their sexual identities. But as it was more accepted (like today in Europe and North America) more homosexuals felt like it was ok to be ‘out’ with their sexuality and the incidences of observed homosexual behaviours is higher and therefore there is a perception that there are more homosexuals.

To start, acceptance and love of the individual should not be dictated by their actions or choices therefore this is not about acceptance of people but of practices.

Ok so now that I have all the C.Y.A. (or butts for those who are language sensitive) comments covered here is my opinion. If we look back into history we see that at the height of civilizations (Greeks and Romans for example) and just preceding their fall homosexuality became rampant in practice. Now I am not suggesting that homosexuality was the cause of their fall but a symptom of the ideology of the people at the time. As societies become more and more affluent their focus becomes increasingly self serving. As people get married, with the intention of starting a family, their focus changes from self to family which promotes the focus on the community rather than the individual. I think we can all agree that societies work more efficiently when the focus is not self serving, as the often quoted JFK said “Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”.

Ok at this piont I have to reiterate I am not suggesting that homosexual people are selfish or self centered. What I am suggesting is that the focus on what is good for me, whether it be class seperation (increasing wealth with a corresponding increase in poverty), increased sexual perversions, increasing crime and a decreasing focus on prosecuting criminals or any number of self serving attributes, the general nature of society is changing and increasing homosexuality and gay marriage is a symptom of that change.

I have noticed when family is introduced into the life of a self centered individual that that individual becomes less self centered. I am the perfect example of this change. What happens when less and less of us enter into a family situation and have less motivation to put our own wants and desires aside and focus on someone else?

That is why we need to be careful when we decide whether or not to legalize homosexual relationships because we are decreasing our chances of decreasing our self centerness and therefore weakening our need for cohesiveness in our society.

Defeating gay marriage is not going to stop the increasing trend toward self centerness on it’s own but we need to remember that unless we halt our progress down a certain pathway it will take us where we are headed.

On a side note, I think that those who use this debate to spread hate for others because of their fear are making it harder and harder to have reasonable discussions as to the realities that we are facing. I don’t care if it is homosexuality or non monagamous heterosexuality the result is the same. In fact, I would argue that hetersexuality when not repected is far worse because then we not only have problems with those who are self serving but we also have children being raised in challenging and difficult environments, being abandoned and undiciplined, we are on a very sad and challenging path indeed.

I did some research and I can not find anything untoward being done specifically by any gay agenda activists in BC and California.

Why don’t you just tell me what you’re talking about? That would probably save a lot of time.