Kirby Heyborne (Singles Ward, RM, The Best Two Years, Saints and Soldiers) recently acted in a commercial for US brewer Miller. Here’s the video:
Any thoughts?
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Kirby Heyborne (Singles Ward, RM, The Best Two Years, Saints and Soldiers) recently acted in a commercial for US brewer Miller. Here’s the video:
Any thoughts?
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Well, no I don’t agree, sorry. If he feels the need to bring it up after all of these years then he needs to get over it. That was just one experience I have shared. I have a friend who left his mission for a woman, totally devastated his family in this choice and was excommunicated. He later repented, went through the long process of coming back to the church, being re-baptised and having his priesthood restored. He married a wonderful woman and is the father of a fine family (he had previously married this other woman but that ended up in divorce), has been in Bishoprics and served faithfully and honourably in years since. It would serve NO purpose to bring up past mistakes. I would think and hope that his mission companions would be gratified to see a brother missionary return to full fellowship rather than bring up past grievances.
It still smacks of gossip, and if Kirby Heyborne, who is a real live person and not just a celebrity (I always wonder why people feel justified in picking apart celebrities as if they are inanimate objects) were to come across this, he would justifiably feel shamed that someone would bring this up (if it were true) or horrified that someone would make up something like this.
I used to be a mormon, but left the church a few years ago. I think Kirby Heyborne is a brillant actor and I’m glad Kirby did this commercial, because now non-mormons can see how most mormon act. Judge everybody except yourself, lol. Love you Kirby! Don’t let mormons make you feel bad for taking care of your forever family!
Most Mormons pick up bottles of beer? Hmmmm….
Nooooo…. I didn’t mean most mormons pick up bottles of beer, I meant mormons spend to much time judging. But, it does sadden me that a mormon would eat a box of donuts and wash it down with some sugared down soda, but down someone who drinks a beer. Btw I’m vegan and drink a beer occasionally, but thats off topic. Poor Kirby, personally I have nothing against the mormons just cause im not one anymore, but Kirby seems like a great guy. Just because he would do something like that to put food on the table for his family. In the end all you will have is your family.
Mary, I’m not quite sure I’ve gotten my point across. Let me just say that there are bad acts that poison lives and that linger long after they are committed. Such acts can’t be repented of in private; the victims know if the perpetrator has repented because he will have sought them out. If Anonymous has suffered such acts, then the analogies you offer are weak soup indeed and one might find a way to reach out to Anonymous with a bit of charity and human kindness.
I knew what you were saying, I was being facetious. Actually you would see a pretty even balance of LDS NOT blaming or judging and some who ARE. So no, MOST ‘Mormons’ do not judge. Some do, yes. But that’s a human failing rather than a strictly LDS one.
Donuts and pop are gross and sugary and crap. I am a vegetarian, a nutritional copnsultant, don’t eat refined sugar or junk food. But I don’t think people who eat crap are evil.
As many of us have said, Kirby was doing a job, whether we agree with that choice or not is not even the issue, it’s not ours to make.
I’d also note that Anonymous obviously sees Heyborne as a real person and not a celebrity-object; Anonymous presents himself as having known Heyborne when he wasn’t a celebrity at all.
:( why must we be guilted to death for living and dying? sheesh people.
Well, I’m done typing lol. I love Kirby just as much as all you guys and gals on here so hugs and kisses for everyone, mormon or not! blows kisses and hugs to everyone
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And all I was saying is that he needs to move on. There have been actions of others in my own life that were rather devastating (one took me 2 years to forgive) but I don’t go on about it, bringing up someone else’s past mistakes. And that’s why I take exception to anonymous bringing up Kirby’s sins or failings not in an ‘anonymous’ way, which he only did for himself, but in a highly public way. Just another thing to curse Kirby for.
Whether he knew him or not, he feels justified in picking him apart (a lot of people seem to like doing this to Kirby and others). As well, we can’t blame other people for our own choices or reactions in life.
Mary, I understand what you’re saying. It’s simply that you don’t necessarily understand the full details of this case. I don’t want to get into anything in public; please email me (roastedtomatoes at gmail dot com) to talk about this more. I don’t mean to say that I want people shouting our sins from the rooftops, but rather that your comments reflect a very incomplete understanding of the situation and there are quite substantial mitigating circumstances for Anonymous’s public disclosure here.
Uh oh. Fight fight fight fight. lol i kid i kid
I know, I am not saying I understand the full details, but I don’t need to, and I don’t see the need to discuss what Kirby did or did not do privately. But perhaps if you can explain why he felt the need to say this things in a public forum, alright, I will email you about it.
Joshua, we aren’t children, we are not fighting, this is normal debate (well, in a manner of speaking).
Oh I know. I’m just glad some people got their heads on straight in here. i.e. you, lol.
Anonymous
I understand better now, and I apologise for berating you, though I still think it would be better in a private manner. I do hope you get the healing you need.
What a bizarre conversation.
“Such acts can’t be repented of in private; the victims know if the perpetrator has repented because he will have sought them out. If Anonymous has suffered such acts”
JNS, what on earth does this have to do with anything? Posting stuff your companion did that was wrong on a public forum while identifying who that person is is inappropriate behavior. End of story. I would hope that someone who insisted on doing such a thing at BCC would be banned. Especially when that person is well known – it’s pure gossip. Why do the full details matter? I don’t care if Kirby raped his mother. Making anonymous public accusations is wrong.
“I would hope that someone who insisted on doing such a thing at BCC would be banned”
Heck Eric, that’s easy to say — our banning thresholds are unbelievably low!
PS ixnay re: Kirby raped his mother.
I totally agree with Eric….there is no need to bring anything else into this discussion. It isn’t going to change my feelings on the post.
I really don’t care what he did, does, or will do?
I remember when I got to the mission field I was appalled, before my mission in a very innocent way I thought all missionaries were angels, I remember I was the only missionary at the Mexcio MTC that was not crying, that’s how happy I was, when I got to the mission field, I realized they were young people trying to fill in very big shoes, my first companion and the whole zone were doing really bad things, I almost escaped out of that house where we lived…. almost…but then I found a way around the issue, and we started working…. blackmail is awesome… just kidding, I told my companion I would just go home if things stayed the same, next day we were working really hard :)
I had no plans to go home, but the spirit told me to say that, and it worked, I do not hate Elder Holtby, I am sure he is doing great now :)
Eric, just be careful. The waters are deeper here than you think they are. It’s easy to blame the wrong people; it’s a motes and beams question in this case, I’m afraid.
Hmm, trying this again. Annonymous. I apologise for berating you, I understand now. However it would have been best taken in a private arena. I hope you get the healing you need.
Deeper than raping his mother?! Holy crap. Look, if Anonymous needs to file a police report, than I recommend doing so. But whatever the case may be, a vague anonymous public accusation is most certainly not an appropriate course of action.
Eric
No he shouldn’t have posted that here, but there are reasons you aren’t aware of so let’s just leave it alone.
Actually this guy has been posting on other places the same exact post…. mmm… I understand he must be hurt, but that won’t help either.
Erick, I’ve got to agree on that. Anonymous, if you’re reading this, let’s talk privately — spreading this around on a bunch of internet sites isn’t likely to accomplish much good for anybody.
I’m extremely disappointed in Kirby. Seriously, Miller? Next time, please pick a better brew! :-)
I have 2 main reasons in my previous post, both of which I recognize are “carnally-minded” and not good reasons to defame a person’s character. I am generally a kind, forgiving person and he is the only person I have ever hated. I have had a hard time forgiving him for the damage he caused to myself, the members in the mission, and others in the mission field. Without going into further detail about the things that went on, there was severe damage done that still effects peoples lives today.
The 2nd reason is because he has developed a reputation based on a false presentation of character. it really doesn’t matter to me how he earns his living, but the part I don’t agree with is the admiration by fans that is based on a lie. I think it is unfortunate that someone becomes a role model to youth for being good at sports or acting, when their personal lives don’t deserve the same respect. This applies to many celebrities.
Having said that, I don’t know whether he has repented or not although I am inclined to believe he has not because those effected have not been sought out for an apology. I truly hope he does demonstrate proper remorse for the sake of his family and I continue to pray that those of us who haven’t been able to forgive him will find the peace we want. it wasn’t my intention to offend anyone here and I apologize if I have. There was probably a better way to handle this but I let my anger get in the way. I hope this explains my feelings and motives better.
Seawright, I will be in touch soon.
Brian, I have to agree. The thing is, he lives in the States, which means the odds are against him that one way or another it’d have to be an American beer. ;-)
LAZY MUNCIE, dunno… found it on youtube….. I am dissapointed :(
Anonymous…
I tell my children this all the time…we can’t blame anyone for our own unhappiness, bitterness, or anger. We are the only ones who control this. NO ONE ruins others lives, we control our own lives. You can’t blame “role models” or “celebrities”.
EVERYONE deserves respect.
If people are harbouring ill feelings, then of course they will never get over things. It doesn’t matter what he did or does, you all control how you will respond and behave, and I personally think that by attacking one’s character, having hatred for another human being, or by being an unforgiving person, then you all really shouldn’t be pointing any fingers or judging anyways.
If you don’t have peace within, you will never have peace with those around you. And you can’t blame anyone, but yourself for that.
And…seriously….disappointed in a you tube video. Come On!
You maybe need to go do some self-reflecting, meditating, soul searching, something.
Dear Mary,
I think that people may be “dragging Kirby through the mud” only because he is the spotlight and is now unfortunately an “icon” in the LDS world. Not unfortunate because of his choices, but because we need no icons in our life.
I am a little confused with your comment about how Mormons just conveniently overlook Section 89 as to the Word of Wisdom. Eating twelve dozens doughnuts a day will not keep me out of the temple, but drinking my beer will. That is the difference.
And I am sorry if you did not say this, but people are banding about “judging” here and there. What Kirby did has no effect on my salvation, that is true…
But the scripture is translated “…Judge not unrighteously that ye be not judged: but judge a righteous judgment.” Matthew 7:1
That being said, we can all say what he should and shouldn’t have done, but at the end of the day, it is/was his decision and I am no judge in Israel (thank goodness!).
To everyone else,
Our main purpose is to bring people unto Christ. I hope that Kirby or anyone else can still feel loved in the gospel despite any choices he/she has made. He is a child of God and no matter what decisions he makes, we should still be able to call him brother and love him. Whether you consider what he did as a sin or not, we love the sinner, not the sin. I personally do not believe what he did was a sin.
Also, I hope we would be teaching our children to look up to the leadership of the church and Christ as our examples, so if a child does see something like this and has questions or is confused, they will know where to turn for answers.
Which is sort of the point.
Sharel
My comments regarding that is that in order to receive the full blessings promised in the Word of Wisdom, we need to follow it in its entirety, not just partly. This isn’t related to church policy, which requires us to follow the “do nots”. I fully accept that aspect of it, in regards to being worthy to attend the temple and such, but in order to truly understand and receive the fullness of the blessings in the Word of Wisdom, this takes much study and prayer and following it all. No, eating 12 dozen doughnuts a day won’t keep you out of the temple, but it will seriously damage your ‘own’ temple…your body, which we have been given from the Lord as an important stewardship. I am a Nutritional Consultant as well as a serious student of the Word of Wisdom and I know that the knowledge we have these days as well as from the scriptures tells us that if we do want the full (and most wonderful) blessings promised we need to follow it all. I don’t think we will be penalised by the Lord, per se (as far as being kept from exaltation), but the natural consequences are penalty enough in keeping us from the treasures of knowlege, the abundant health and other blessings stated. Our Father in Heaven has given us this wonderful, insightful (and it takes a lot of research and study and inspiration to delve into the depth of it, He doesn’t spell out every item we should or should not eat, He expects us to use proper discernment) counsel with a great promise and it’s up to us to follow through with it.
I really never post comments, so I did not realize that my previous post would be so hard to read!
Yeah…sorry about that!
Okay, Yes. I am fully aware that our bodies are temples and that we need to treat them right and that we need to study the scriptures and know that He does not spell out every thing that we need to do. I understand that we need to do a deeper study of the commandments and the scriptures daily to receive the fullness.
I wish I could do this face to face, because I gotta be honest. I think some of the things that are being said seem a little condescending.
For example:
(and it takes a lot of research and study and inspiration to delve into the depth of it, He doesn’t spell out every item we should or should not eat, He expects us to use proper discernment)
It truly sounds as if this is the first time I would have heard it.
I think that we should also have compassion for those who are at a different “conversion” level on any subject of the gospel.
You may know the Word of Wisdom backwards and forwards inside and out and a lot you could teach me I am sure, yet there may be something I could teach you about something else in the gospel. I would hope that we have patience for those different “conversion levels” that we are all at.
Excuse the bad grammar on my last sentence!
Arggg….I mean in. Oh, just forget it….
Sharel
Wow. Ok, sorry, it was not meant at all to be condescending. It’s meant as knowledge and you asked so I explained. And I am not saying in ANYWAY that I am perfect at this. This is a life long process. I am passionate about helping people with their health and nutrition because I know FIRST hand how hard it is. I have so much compassion for people, as I have been there. Honestly. And it is a long journey. But yes, I am passionate about the Word of Wisdom and I know everyone has their journey. You would understand this if you talked to me in person. All I am saying is that we, all of us (myself included, because I am not there yet) would receive all of these wonderful blessings if we fully followed it. Few, if any (including myself) completely do. It’s if we do, that the blessings are realised. One of my goals in life is to get to that point. But it’s one step at a time. If you were to check out my own journey (and heartache) to health, you would see exactly what I mean. I did not say, nor do I mean that I know everything about it. And certainly you could teach me something. Everyone has something to teach and offer. Ok, hope that makes sense now.
Let me just tell you that if I hadn’t paid attention to my nutrition I would have never had any more children and I would have diabetes and probably develop heart disease. I had to learn the hard way how important it was to take care of my health and as a NCP I am trying to save others that path. It’s not fun.
See!? This is why I wanted a face to face! That makes a lot more sense! I am feelin’ the love now. Thank you and I am grateful that you have been able to have the blessings in your life that you do.
You sound as if you have a website that one could visit and if you do, I would be interested in looking at it.
Hi guys,
Kirby here, I just want to say I did not want to cause such a fuss.
I hope I will be forgiven as it seems now I have to go online, on each public forum trying to shield myself from the attacks.
I had to feed my family !
I am not perfect and I have made mistakes, I am trying very hard to stay afloat. Please do try to be more sensitive to one another.
And hope one day I will be remembered as a guy trying hard to be good, and not as some sort of evil entity, out to bring souls to satan, remember this kind of attitude has driven many outside the church.
May we be granted enough clarity to sense why someone makes mistakes, and may then extend a helping hand.
Kirby Heyborne
Well Kirby…I don’t think you need to be forgiven, or justify what you did..
It is sad that people have made you feel so bad about your decisions. It is no body’s business.
I have an archived blog that explains my personal journey, if you are interested:
http://marysodyssey.blogspot.com/
you will have to go back some, to read what I have done. It’s been ages since I posted there.
Dar, I wouldn’t be too quick to address that commenter as Kirby. I am pretty sure it’s someone posing as Kirby.
Kim….(see how I respond to the commenter by their first name, regardless who they are)
I kind of assumed that it wasn’t the real Kirby, but non the less, it was a Kirby, and that is how I felt.
Hello Mary,
I have had heartburn non stop lately, and the I discovered this site
http://www.watercure.com and it has helped me feel so much better. I would like to correspond with you regarding the word of Wisdom, I am aware this is a very important matter now more than ever!
You see I suffer from migraines and would like to ask you a couple of questions.
my e-mail :
ericksosa@mac.com
thanks!
Erick
Thanks for the site link. Please email me at kmsiever@gmail.com and I am more than willing to help you.
It’s his choice. What’s the big deal? Also, as stated in Comment #4 he portrayed smoking in a church movie and no one cared.
Go Kirby, chug one for me. I wonder how much he got paid to do this. Looser!
Looser than what?
Hey guys, Kirby here. I really enjoyed the artistic approach that Budweisers took to this commercial it is why I took the role. I could feel a spirit about the director that was just so pure and delight full. It was the refreshing taste of Budweiser on his breath. On the set we enjoyed some refreshingly rich cold Buds. I never new how great life would be. So here’s to all you bastards judging me. This Buds for you. Go enjoy a cold one. You can repent later.
Love Kirby Heyborne