Comments on: Redeeming ourselves through our own suffering

By: Rob Osborn

Rob Osborn — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:30:10 +0000

The Nephites had no prblem of embracing the one heaven model. Even Christ himself had no problem of embracing the one heaven model.

Heretical? I guess only time will tell, but I am pretty sure that us mormons have heaven misrepresented.

By: rick

rick — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:24:55 +0000

"But what do the Terrestial and Telestial spend time doing?"

Partying, I expect. No job - plenty of time on your hands ... why not? On the up side, there are going to be a lot more people to talk to in this kingdom that the highest.

"...I doubt that the two lower kingdoms even exist after final judgment..."

Wow. That's a pretty easy way to ease your conscious of any guilt from being better than someone in the hereafter. Also a bit heretical, no?

By: Rob Osborn

Rob Osborn — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:02:43 +0000

I think that section 19 refers to the sons of perdition. Christ leads us into the understanding with the specifics of dealing with those who remain unrepentant by the time final judgment rolls around. Those who fail to repent by the final judgment will "have to suffer like Christ" because the atonement will not cover them.

As for kingdom jumping- YOU BET!!! We are all in the process of kingdom jumping right now. We are currently in the Telestial kingdom and we are going to jump from here into the Terrestrial kingdom when Christ returns. From there we will jump into the Celestial Kingdom at the end of the millennium.

Personally I doubt that the two lower kingdoms even exist after final judgment so all will be in the celestial participating in the many workings of the Gods.

By: alea

alea — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:38:52 +0000

Progression from kingdom to kingdom (known derisively as "kingdom jumping") is one of McConkie's "deadly heresies". (see here).

However, I've never believed that talk and have always felt that progression might be possible. I have no issue, either, with the idea that you'd never catch up to the Celestial folks if you were in the lower kingdom. [It's not a race, is it?]

My main reason for belief (or hope) that progression is possible is that there doesn't seem much for the folks in the lower kingdoms to be doing for eternity. The Celestial folks go to build worlds, or be angels and so on. But what do the Terrestial and Telestial spend time doing?