For what it’s worth, I hardly know Kim at all, but OT is in box #2 on LDSelect because I like his thoughts. I usually feel positive and encouraged by what I read here, which is more than I can say for a LOT of places I read. OT is kind of an oasis in that it doesn’t seem like people are working so hard to be clever as to be thoughtful and open.

Kim, what a great sense of encouragement that must have been for you. Oh, and listen to your wife. It’s faster.

No, you are reading a whole lot into it. That particular post was not in any way related to apathy, nor was he referring to his quorum members, and as a member of EQ himself he referred as much to himself as anyone else. The fact you refer to Kim as being arrogant makes me laugh, because he is completely the opposite of that and your continued assumptions show a lack of perception.

As EQ pres he doesn’t “rule” over anyone. Not sure how many EQ presidencies you have been in to come to the conclusion that the EQ pres “rules” over anyone.

I think the Lord did want him there. When he refers to apathy (or rather when I do) he talks about their lack of desire to lead in the home, to do their home teaching, to fulfill their callings or attend the ward (many prefer attending their parents’ wards).

I thought this was obvious, but guess not.

Your reference to this quote:

““Elders quorum is for people who are still struggling with the basics and need to learn things on a more fundamental level.”

baffles me because it has no relation to apathy. He is talking about something completely different from the purpose of THIS post. But trust you to create a connection. I would suggest you start your own blog so you can go off on your own thought processes when you would like.

Norma

Sally doesn’t really think Kim is superior to anyone, she knows him very well. Pewsitter thinks this, but he already makes assumptions about Kim all over the place. Not sure why, but he is always going off on him and making things up.

Glad you saw what he really meant though!:)

It’s normal to want to feel confirmation. Usually, we only get to hear if we are doing something wrong. If the Lord constantly told us when we were doing okay, we wouldn’t have much room to grow. We just have to continue on doing the best that we can.

But it’s really nice to hear that our small efforts can be used by the Lord to bring about something great. That’s what I heard from Kim. Not that he was great, but that his small efforts could be used by the Lord.

“I didn’t realize I made comments about the members of my quorum. Do you have an example?”

On a different thread you wrote

“Elders quorum is for people who are still struggling with the basics and need to learn things on a more fundamental level.”

If one reads your writings over a period of time, this thought pattern becomes evident. If any of the members of your EQ have read “our thoughts” and shared your writings with the other members of the quorum, perhaps some of their apathy could be attributed to your arrogance concerning them.

“It was I who mentioned their apathy in this thread.”

Yes, I know that – however, Kim wrote:

“I don’t see any evidence that anything I’ve done in the last 2.5 years has made a difference. Anyone who’s been a longtime reader has probably picked up on this through some of my posts. It doesn’t take much to read between the lines. In fact, it may even be more obvious than I thought.”

What comes across to me is a belief that you have been chosen of God and those you rule over do not behave as you expect them to.

It would be hardly likely this is the case since he has never mentioned his quorum members apathy (and it certainly isn’t all the members). It was I who mentioned their apathy in this thread.

It is interesting the assumptions you make about people or comments so regularly with no real evidence to back up your assumptions one way or another.

Perhaps the members of the Quroum have read Kim’s comments about them and their apathy is a reflection of their feelings.

I didn’t realize I made comments about the members of my quorum. Do you have an example?

Are you doing your calling to be recognized as a “great” person and for pats on the back?

No. But wanting to know I am doing the right thing or making a difference is different than wanting accolades.

Perhaps the members of the Quroum have read Kim’s comments about them and their apathy is a reflection of their feelings.

I don’t know if I enjoy it. Certainly not like I enjoyed being ward clerk. But being in my fifth year (I had served as EQP for 2 years in a different ward) might have something to do with it. I don’t hate my calling. I had just felt like I wasn’t accomplishing anything.

Our bishop and stake presidency give me a lot of latitude as well. I really appreciate that. They often support any initiatives we undertake as well.

Mary,

My point was that I had no indication I was on the right track. At least now I feel I might be.