Comments on: Church Essentials

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Mon, 26 May 2008 07:16:16 +0000

I don't think that undoes the possibility that Adam dwelt in a place called Adam-ondi-Ahman, and that the location in Missouri is a second or new Adam-ondi-Ahman---just like Jesus preached in a place called Jerusalem and a place prophesied to be built in North America will be a New Jerusalem.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Sat, 24 May 2008 05:08:41 +0000

Orson Pratt supposedly interpreted the name to mean "Valley of God, where Adam dwelt". (Journal of Discourses, 18:343)

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Sat, 24 May 2008 05:03:07 +0000

Follow-up on comment 17: I was reading the same scripture the other day and realized that it never says Adam-Ondi-Ahman (a.k.a. Spring Hill) is the place where Adam appeared anciently; it only says it's where Adam will appear at a future time.

So maybe it's like the New Jerusalem, rather than the old. Or like the Cumorah where Joseph received the plates, rather than the one (different, in my personal view) from which Mormon retrieved them.

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Fri, 18 May 2007 14:15:17 +0000

ltbugaf

I know. I was just thinking of the Primary song.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Fri, 18 May 2007 05:18:31 +0000

Mary, I truly do appreciate what you've said in comment 53. However, I do think there's a difference between saying "God himself was once as we are now" and saying that Jesus was once a child, or a mortal.

The difference lies in the ways Jesus was different from others during his mortal life. If the New Testament is accurate, he totally abstained from eating and drinking for 40 days, which no ordinary person can do. Likewise, he had to choose to die---to yield up his spirit voluntarily, according to the teachings of many Prophets. So while he was mortal in the sense of being able to die, he was more than merely mortal in some other ways.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Fri, 18 May 2007 05:14:19 +0000

The earliest I remember talking about becoming just like our Father in Heaven was around Discussion 5 or 6. Doesn't matter.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Fri, 18 May 2007 05:02:45 +0000

Yes, Jeff, but that really wasn't the part I was talking about. In any case, you already have my concession.

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Fri, 18 May 2007 03:32:29 +0000

That's a primary song

"Jesus once was a little child, a little child like me.."

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Thu, 17 May 2007 21:10:19 +0000

I guess the first discussion memory I have isn't so much about the pre-Godhood life of God so much as teaching that God is our father and as such we can become Gods like him—only implying, admittedly very weakly, that God was once a child like us.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Thu, 17 May 2007 15:54:08 +0000

You didn't. Jeff Milner did. I was answering him.