Comments on: All Things Are Present With Me https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Our Thoughts » Blog Archive » Should we drop these doctrinal ideas? https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-121323 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:27 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-121323 s worth, we’ve talked about the first idea several times at Our Thoughts (see here, here, here, and here). AKPC_IDS += "2067,";Popularity: unranked [...]</p> ]]> […] what it’s worth, we’ve talked about the first idea several times at Our Thoughts (see here, here, here, and here). AKPC_IDS += "2067,";Popularity: unranked […]

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-28135 Thu, 03 May 2007 05:14:18 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-28135 I didn’t mean to oversimplify; I know it’s used for other purposes.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-28133 Thu, 03 May 2007 01:44:55 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-28133 I was thinking of that scripture when I made that comment.

(Yes, my understanding is the automatic linking works for abbreviated verse references. I say it “Doctrine and Covenants” as well, but abbreviate it as D&C. And dilation and curettage is rarely used as an abortion procedure any more. In fact, it’s so rare that your comment was the first time I have ever heard anyone refer to it as an abortion procedure. The only persons I have known whom had a D&C done, had it done because of excess tissue after a miscarriage.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-28130 Thu, 03 May 2007 00:54:47 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-28130 (That’s funny. Usually a scriptural reference gets linked to the online scriptures at LDS.org, but the one above didn’t. Maybe that’s because I spelled out “Doctrine & Covenants” rather than “D&C.”)

I picked up the habit of saying “Doctrine and Covenants” rather than “D&C” while I was training in the MTC. A general authority speaking there reminded us that it’s a good idea to avoid any confusing reference to the abortion procedure called dilation and curetage — known casually as “D&C.”

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-28126 Thu, 03 May 2007 00:35:10 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-28126 So you think it’s saying, “Everything is here with me” but not also saying, “Everything is now with me.” That’s reasonable enough.

I wonder why, in light of the verse in Alma quoted above, people have made such a terrific fuss when I expressed the belief that God knows the future. But perhaps that’s getting off track.

Re: your “crystal ball” comment, I think that idea may not be as far off as it seems: See D&C 130:6-10 (which, by the way, gives further explicit support to the doctrine that God does, in fact, see and know the future).

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-28125 Thu, 03 May 2007 00:17:55 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-28125 I don’t think the scripture I quote above is necessarily referring to time. It specifically says “all things”, implying, in my opinion, that it is literally all things. Perhaps all stages of time, but I do not believe the scripture is saying past and future are the same as present are, as Capt. Obsidian’s scripture does.

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By: Capt. Obsidian https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-28123 Wed, 02 May 2007 23:06:13 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-28123 How about this:

Now whether there is more than one time appointed for men to rise it mattereth not; for all do not die at once, and this mattereth not; all is as one day with God, and time only is measured unto men. (Alma 40:8, emphasis added)

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-28099 Tue, 01 May 2007 18:22:18 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-28099 Of course, “present” has more than one meaning: It can mean in the same place of course, but it may also mean in the same time.

So is God seeing past, present and future all at once? Are the past and future all present to Him?

I think so. My comments from March 2006 on the “Pre-mortal Works” and “Is God Out of Time?” threads explain why.

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By: marcus https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-28092 Tue, 01 May 2007 14:03:25 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/30/all-things-are-present-with-me/#comment-28092 I stumbled across this post while reading some other blogs about “The Mormons” but was intrigued by it. I don’t think I have ever thought about this passage in this context, but it brings to mind two possible interpretations of the word present. One meaning close to him, or in his presence. The other meaning being present, as in time, past, present, and future. I think this scripture refers to the latter meaning, that god is not constrained by human conceptions of time, so it is as though everything that we think of as happening in the past or future, to him actually happens in the present.

Oh, and about the “humans only use a small portion of their brains” it really is just a popular belief as you stated. Recent science, specifically fMRIs show that humans really are using all of their brains. How much potential they have is a question still up for debate, but we do use the whole thing.

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