Comments on: Richard Dutcher leaves the Church https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:10:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: synnove ellingsen https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-45183 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:10:46 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-45183 Puh gets me quit e bored really, but then again as a practicing LDS it is always sad when some chose to leave. But in so many blogs there is this talk about the films and quality ….leaving the church has NOTHING to do with quality or not quality of art, if you are a goos artist you can be member of whatever yuu want, and if you art is weak it does not make it any better to leave the LDS church. Art that is not strong in itself will not find strength whether you run to or fro organisations. It is a fact many socalled “artists” in the church are not professionally at an artist level or their work can as far as I see it hardly be called professional, but excellent selftherapeutic activities and fun amateur art. Too many people wants to great “artists” not really understanding to be it they also have to produce art work that can stand up to scrutiny in the mysterious world of “AAAArt”. Not easy and there is not really any hiding place or terminology, neither nonmember, member, X or R ratings will help lift any product into that realm. Hard work,self scrutiny and talent may eventually bring a work the magic touch, maybe Duchter just does not have it??? Making endless selfportraited characters will not help if the “other” little magic understanding falls short of in depth contact. Just look at a Rembrandt portrait, a Pollock, Klein, Anish Kapoor, Bill Viola !!!to make a sweeping thought and the difference between wanna bes and those who sometimes get the point is astonishing. In film the same.
I am off to shoot film from my Art background Tuesday! Good luck to all and please leave this Dutcher alone and critize his films instead. There may be other real talent out there deserving attention.

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-42088 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:55:20 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-42088 Oh, to get back on topic – if you really want to know why Richard left you can ask him.

Word is, he’s been posting over on the Postmormon.org message boards…

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By: Rayni https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-42069 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:20:14 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-42069 LOL, I know what you mean Carp. This thread has definitely taken a detour. I have wanted to ask, “What does this have to do w/Richard leaving the church?” ever since post #70.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-42032 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:35:57 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-42032 Jim,

Here are some good places to start:

  • Common errors in history, General Series, G.1, London: P.S. King & Staples for the Historical Association.
  • Jeffrey Burton Russell, “Inventing the Flat Earth: Columbus and Modern Historians”, American Scientific Affiliation Annual Meeting, (Westmont College, 4 August 1997)
  • James. W. Loewen, Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your History Textbook Got Wrong, (Touchstone Books, 1996)
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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-41983 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:09:44 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-41983 “it will take a Spiritual Conversion”

What exactly does this mean?

“My point exactly!”

Your point was that hardly anyone since 200BC believed in God but people thought they did? I don’t follow.

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By: Jim https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-41962 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:24:42 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-41962

You may want to study up on your facts, Jim. Hardly anyone since 200 BC believed this. It is one of the most prolific of all historical myths, and was debunked more than 60 years ago.

My point exactly! Did everyone believe that it was flat….no! Does everyone believe there is a God….no! And vise versa! Monday morning quarterbacking is easy, but fear did exist and the point was that with our 5 senses we can not prove a God but it will take a Spiritual Conversion! “Hardly anyone” is something that exit polls may know! Exit Polls, right sometimes and wrong many times! Either way, there was no exit polls and to say, Hardly anyone is wrong! Show me your data!

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By: Carp https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-41922 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:02:17 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-41922 Is that why Richard Dutcher left the church? He believed the world was flat? WOW….I really did know that had anything to do with his leaving……hmmm

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-41913 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:56:47 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-41913

Prior to 1492 most of the civilized world believed the earth was flat.

You may want to study up on your facts, Jim. Hardly anyone since 200 BC believed this. It is one of the most prolific of all historical myths, and was debunked more than 60 years ago.

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By: Jim https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-41911 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:34:53 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-41911 Prior to 1492 most of the civilized world believed the earth was flat. That was just a little over a 5 hundred years ago. Although not yet proven to be round, the fact was that it was round and it had nothing to do with it being discovered round as it just did not suddenly become such. You want proof therefore, you will just have to keep searching as it will not fall into your lap! Good luck in your search!

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/comment-page-2/#comment-41840 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:21:38 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/15/richard-dutcher-leaves-the-church/#comment-41840 “He finds Mormons/LDS unique in its declaration and its testimony to the world that God speaks to a man in our day”

I take it you friend has never met a Catholic?

I am a rationalist. I do not believe in any gods nor an afterlife since the probability for their existence is virtually zero. I also don’t believe in celestial teapots or flying spaghetti monsters.

I believe in truths that are known, truths that are unprovable and ‘knowns’ that are untrue.

Also, when you build your God’s Instruction receiver (as per your last comparison in your text-wall), I’d be very interested in getting an early prototype…

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