Comments on: Would you join if I gave you $935USD? https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:03:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26657 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:03:35 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26657 s probably as much for the missionary’s benefit as for anyone else’s" That being the case, it could be accomplished just as well without ever leaving one's own country; and at much less cost. Think Mormon Monastery.]]> “I say again that I do think it’s probably as much for the missionary’s benefit as for anyone else’s”

That being the case, it could be accomplished just as well without ever leaving one’s own country; and at much less cost.

Think Mormon Monastery.

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By: Dallin https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26634 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:45:18 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26634 Certainly the portion paid by the missionary and his family isn’t the entire cost, but the $400/mo mentioned by the original post is what we pay.

And, I think it is intentional that we send out green children as opposed to seasoned professionals — we are warned in the scriptures about “learned men” and the like. By small and simple things shall great things come to pass, and very few things qualify as smaller or simpler than some of the missionaries I’ve seen serving. Perhaps you’re right that a professional missionary would make a better impression, but the Lord’s word will be accepted based on a simple testimony and a witness of the spirit far more often than a logical explanation, no matter how eloquent or solid.

Besides, I say again that I do think it’s probably as much for the missionary’s benefit as for anyone else’s.

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By: JM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26631 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:05:44 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26631 Dallin,

The cost provided by the missionary or his family is only a small portion of the costs involved. At most, your contribution covers your food, some travel expenses, and a portion of your apartment rent. Think of all the other costs.

I submit that it would be more impressive to talk to a ‘seasoned’ representative from the church than a 19-27 year old with no experience. If anything, the full-time missionary is cheap labor, and not very effective on his/her own. No matter how much missionary work you accomplish on your mission, it won’t amount to a hill of beans if the ward members aren’t doing their part. And if they were, we wouldn’t need to have their efforts be supplimented by full-time help.

Although, if you are sending missionaries to areas with no church infrastructure, then you would have an arguement for having them there. But not where the church is well established.

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By: pewsitter https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26600 Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:51:05 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26600 t do it for 18 months and call it quits — but by full-time employees of the church who are professional sales people who know how to pitch it. Is Rick suggesting LDS prospects could feel the spirit at less cost if sales people sold the religion like they would sell time shares or a new car? How would you pay the sales reps? 10% of the tithing (donations) their converts pay or would you suggest a flat fee like $1,000 per head? Would it be a pyramid scheme perhaps? Would the church be able to handle the huge increase in members if sales people took the place of missionaries? Is being on a mission more for the missionary or more for the converts?]]> >The missionary efforts would probably best be accomplished by trained professionals who don’t do it for 18 months and call it quits — but by full-time employees of the church who are professional sales people who know how to pitch it.

Is Rick suggesting LDS prospects could feel the spirit at less cost if sales people sold the religion like they would sell time shares or a new car?

How would you pay the sales reps? 10% of the tithing (donations) their converts pay or would you suggest a flat fee like $1,000 per head? Would it be a pyramid scheme perhaps?

Would the church be able to handle the huge increase in members if sales people took the place of missionaries?

Is being on a mission more for the missionary or more for the converts?

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By: Dallin https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26599 Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:44:15 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26599 As a 19-year old boy preparing to go on my mission, just thought I’d throw in my $.02. I think that you’re probably right, that there are more cost-efficient ways of both spreading the gospel and of perfecting the missionary serving. However, that’s really not the point. For many missionaries – not all, but many, myself included, the missionary himself must foot a fairly major part of that bill. It’s a lot of money, especially to a 19-year old who’s probably only worked jobs of the burger-flipping variety. That sacrifice – of both time, effort, and of money – is what’s important, on the missionary’s part. It’s a matter of being willing to part with both that large sum of money, and spend two years away from the people you love the most, while putting your temporal progression on hold. As Joseph Smith said, “a religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has the power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation.”

And on the other side of the coin, I think that the effect of having missionaries in the field alone is worth the cost. Sure, videos, pamphlets, and whatnot would probably both cost less and even reach a larger audience, they’re simply not as impressive to the public eye. It’s one thing to tell an interested friend, “Yes, I’m Mormon, and if you’re interested I’d like you to watch this video on YouTube,” and quite another to say “If you’re interested I’d like you to talk to these two young men who care so much about the gospel that they spend almost every hour of every day learning of it and teaching it to others, and hold a priesthood calling to spread the word.”

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26493 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:56:16 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26493 “perfecting/transforming effect of missionary service on the missionary”

I saw it and I think there are better ways of doing it. Certainly less expensive ways of doing it.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26490 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:58:54 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26490 Yeah, but if we didn’t send missionaries to Utah or Idaho, they wouldn’t get the royal treatment; free meals, laundry washed, scheming mothers of teenage girls, etc.

Kim got REALLY well fed on his mission.

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By: JM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26489 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:37:20 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26489 Internet, Televised Infomercials, Drop leaflets from an airplane…

If you need to send someone to a green field, then perhaps you have an arguement for sending a missionary. But really, how many missionaries do we need to send to Idaho or Utah or any place where the majority of the population has T.V. and Internet access?

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26487 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:03:08 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26487 Re: #7—How do we carry out the Lord’s mandate to carry the gospel to all who have never heard it if we don’t send people out of their own wards?

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/comment-page-1/#comment-26486 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:01:38 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/04/02/would-you-join-if-i-gave-you-935usd/#comment-26486 Did rick deliberately ignore the perfecting/transforming effect of missionary service on the missionary, or did he just not see it?

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