Comments on: One of the sons of Ishmael https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:44:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/comment-page-1/#comment-26456 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:44:18 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/#comment-26456 I was just speculating, of course. But the other theory seems to avoid the problem you raise in your question. If the pleading son wasn’t one of the rebellious sons, then we’re not left with the problem of figuring out why one of the rebellious sons suddenly reversed his position.

]]> By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/comment-page-1/#comment-26455 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:41:28 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/#comment-26455 I was addressing your first question.

To each his own, but it’s more evidence than what you had for your theory. :)

]]> By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/comment-page-1/#comment-26453 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:37:09 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/#comment-26453 I’m not sure what you’re agreeing to when you say, “I think so.”

From your following sentence, you seem to think the term “the two sons” must mean all the sons because an alternate wording is used in referring to the daughters. That’s some evidence, but too thin for my taste.

]]> By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/comment-page-1/#comment-26407 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:08:03 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/#comment-26407 I think so.

For example, when referring to some of the daughter (rather than all of them), Nephi says “two of the daughters of Ishmael”. When he refers to the sons, he says just “the two sons of Ishmael”.

]]> By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/comment-page-1/#comment-26402 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:29:02 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/#comment-26402 Do we know how many sons Ishmael brought? Is the term “the two sons of Ishmael” in verse 6 inclusive of all the sons, or only of those that were joining in the rebellion? If the latter, then the pleading son could be one who never favored the rebellion in the first place.

]]> By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/comment-page-1/#comment-25057 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:51:47 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/#comment-25057 Personally, I think 2 Ne. 5:6 refers to Nephi’s sisters-in-law.

]]> By: Pewsitter https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/comment-page-1/#comment-24973 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:01:09 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/#comment-24973 Perhaps the man was capable of making his own decisions and this was an example of his free agency in action.

]]> By: Capt. Obsidian https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/comment-page-1/#comment-24966 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:36:01 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2007/03/20/one-of-the-sons-of-ishmael/#comment-24966 So what would cause one of the sons to change his mind?

Perhaps one of Nephi’s sisters was hot? (see 2 Ne. 5:6) Or maybe it was a guilt trip from his (jewish) mother. (Easy, now. That’s just a joke.)

I actually suspect that either one of his own sisters or his father or mother convinced him (temporarily, at least) of the divinity of their mission.

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