Comments on: Legalizing Torture?

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:14:41 +0000

I should have put a warning on that link above, it's pretty graphic.

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:12:58 +0000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ7lSPA9g8s

By: rick

rick — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:46:39 +0000

I think every F&T meeting I've ever attended would also qualify...

By: JM

JM — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:37:46 +0000

We have another form called "Teaching for our Times" lesson in EQ.

By: garry

garry — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:14:46 +0000

i have not only found that torture has been legalized, but that the church actually endorses it; it's called graduation ceremonies.

By: Rick Theisen

Rick Theisen — Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:43:45 +0000

I know what sleep deprivation and mental torture does to people. I suffered from sleep deprivation for 35 years as a result of a physical disorder. That and the physical and mental abuse I suffered at home, at the hands of my father and older brothers, was devastating. My mental state persisted, and I suffered bullyism at college, when I was still suffering from extreme sleep deprivation. After 2 1/2 years, I was threatened. I was antagonized to the point at which I threatened back. I was charged with uttering threats (criminal harassment). I was then threatened with prison, without a lawyer, unless I accepted their plea offer, in large part because I FELT guilty. Later, when I had time to think and was sleeping better, I realized that I had been conned.

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:41:06 +0000

I don’t think this is an issue of separation of church and state. What makes you make that connection?

It’s a matter of morals. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (as pointed out in 43) â€œcondemns inhumane treatment of any person under any circumstances”.

I think the church does tend to speak up politically in matters that could fall into a grey area in modern society, and I think it’s appropriate for them to do so, not so much as a political statement, but as a moral one.

By: john schumacher

john schumacher — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:51:25 +0000

How can we agree with religion being the fulcrum of our political views. Logically we would be neglecting scale for which the balance might shift were we to exchange our fulcrum with one of a different religion. Truly i beleive that religious views and matters of state be kept mutually exclusive.

By: tortdog

tortdog — Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:50:18 +0000

Well, you first argue that water boarding does not work. But the article you cite has contradictory information, some saying it DOES result in good information while others point out that we get some bad information from it. I bring forward an additional article showing that it has worked with others as well.

You then conclude that water boarding isn’t torture. But the article that YOU bring says that water boarding is NOT torture.

If you are going to make an argument, wouldn’t it be good to cite to authorities that support your ideas, as opposed to the opposite?

You and I disagree that it is inhumane to use water boarding. CIA agents in your article also seem to disagree with you. Great Britain’s Foreign Office has opined that water boarding is NOT torture.

So be it.

By: Dan

Dan — Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:44:49 +0000

It doesn't matter. You'll keep trying to find some way to justify it. The only thing I can offer you is the following from the Church:

The church "condemns inhumane treatment of any person under any circumstances," said church spokesman Dale Bills.

I would think that even you would consider waterboarding "inhumane." Until my earlier post is approved (still under moderation), I'm done here. Some people just can't see out of the cave.