Is the act of paying a tithe a financial transaction in the traditional sense?
i.e. I pay you $ XXX.XX and I get YYYYYY
or
i.e. I have given you YYYYYY, now you owe me $ XXX.XX
I’d like to know what the actual church stance is on this as well as anyone’s personal views on the matter.
Since I’ve never paid tithing, I really have no idea how it is handled and I’m quite curious.
He admitted that he copied from this web site:
http://www.bibletruths.net/Archives/BTAR135.htm
His post is copied verbatim from it (which is how I found the site). He SAYS that he credited the author, but I did not see such a credit before I made the comment, and I STILL such a reference.
In short, he copied someone else’s work, passed it off as his own and once caught he is trying to excuse it. Maybe he didn’t know that plagiarism is considered unethical (not to mention a possible violation of copyright laws). He’s not admitting it, though.
Go figure.
Give it up dude. all i did was post the truth backed up by truth.
Your heart isn’t into truth. What i post i believe 100% no where did i claim it as my writings. stop judging me. the evil is in your own heart and the cult you follow.
fearless leader
Joseph Smith, Jr. was born Dec. 23, 1805 in Sharon, Vermont. As a youth, he gained a bad reputation at an early age. It is said that, “His word was received with the least confidence by those who knew him best. He could utter the most palpable exaggeration or marvelous absurdity with the utmost apparent gravity.â€v Such accusations are obviously not appreciated in Mormon circles, but they have never been refuted by non-Mormon contemporaries.vi
Also we should consider a statement signed by 62 residents of Palmyra, NY, were the Smith family lived for some time: “We the undersigned, have been acquainted with the Smith family for a number of years, while they resided near this place. We have no hesitation in saying that we consider them destitute of that moral character which ought to entitle them to the confidence of any community. They were particularly famous for visionary projects; spent much of their time in digging for money which they pretended was hid in the earth, and a large excavation may be seen in the earth not far from their residence where they used to spend their time in digging for hidden treasures. Joseph Smith, Sr., and his son, Joseph, were in particular considered entirely destitute of moral character and addicted to vicious habits.â€vii
This statement “cannot be impeached by any honest historian – and it certainly has never been disproved by any Mormons as attested by history.â€viii “Howe was a contemporary of Smith and did the most thorough job of research on the Mormon prophet and his religion; his work is today considered prima face evidence of the highest veracity.â€ix
Smith’s father also claimed to receive visions and his mother displayed an interest in the occult and could be called a psychic.x With such parents it is not surprising that Smith’s youth could be summed up by his principal biographer as that of “a likable ne’er-do-well who was notorious for tall tales and necromantic arts and who spent his leisure leading a band of idlers in digging for buried treasure.â€xi “Was it not inevitable that with such a background plus a highly imaginative disposition of his own, fanned by religious fanaticism which was rampant around Palmyra, New York, where his family now lived, that Joseph Smith would, in 1820, have his first vision?â€xii
The Book of Mormon versus The Word of God. Mormons respect the authority of the Bible “as far as translated correctly.†This is a convenient loophole to avoid Biblical teaching. The Mormon apostle Orson Pratt said, “What shall we say then, concerning the Bible being a sufficient guide? Can we rely upon it in its present corrupted state, as being a faithful record of God’s word? We all know that but a few inspired writings have descended to our times… Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution, so as to convey the same sense now that it did in the original.â€xiii
Despite Mormon assertions to the contrary, the New Testament of Jesus Christ is absolute, complete and final. Jesus said, “When He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into ALL the truth†(John 16:13). Truth was fully revealed in the first century (1 Corinthians 13:8-10; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). Thus, the gospel is called the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25). The Faith was once delivered to the saints (Jude 3). That leaves no room for the Book of Mormon. Furthermore, since God has given to us “all things that pertain unto life and godliness,†then the Book of Mormon can only contain that which pertains to death and ungodliness (2 Peter 1:3). Not only is the Book of Mormon superfluous, it stands condemned as another gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). Man is not permitted to add to or diminish ought from the word of God. (Revelation 22:18-19).
Discrepancies In The Book Of Mormon. A fundamental principle of truth is that it does not contradict itself. Yet the Book of Mormon repeatedly contradicts the Bible. Notice some of the outlandish statements found in their “inspired†books:
The Book of Mormon, supposedly written approximately 400 B.C., is filled with direct plagiarisms of the KJV, which was not translated from the Greek until over 1000 years later. For example compare 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 with Moroni 7:45-46. Shakespeare is also quoted. Compare Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 with 2 Nephi 1:14. Why would the Book of Mormon contain such quotations in Elizabethan English? Is it prophecy or plagiarism? I affirm the latter.
There are great differences between the original versions and the modern Book of Mormon. Although Joseph Smith claimed divine guidance in translating the golden tablets, there have been more than 3,900 changes in the Book of Mormon since the 1830 edition. Is the process of inspiration so full of mistakes? (John 16:13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1-8 ; Luke 2:4), but the Book of Mormon says he was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10).
The Bible teaches baptism for remission of sins (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38), but the Doctrine and Covenants teaches remission of sins before baptism (D&C 20:37). Interestingly, Mormons contradict themselves on this point (3 Nephi 12:2).
Its a cult! cant you see that?
remember Jim Jones?
Remember the prayer. God always answers my prayers. Always!
Michael. You just keep reposting the work of other people without giving them credit.
I’ll engage in discussion if you wish. But spamming is not the most effective way to make your point.
lol! did you forget about the truth that was posted? let all draw attention away from that (smiles) You guys must be the cult leaders hehehe. You still have to answer to God. Remember?
Give it up dude. all i did was post the truth backed up by truth.
Your heart isn’t into truth. What i post i believe 100% no where did i claim it as my writings. stop judging me. the evil is in your own heart and the cult you follow.
fearless leader
Joseph Smith, Jr. was born Dec. 23, 1805 in Sharon, Vermont. As a youth, he gained a bad reputation at an early age. It is said that, “His word was received with the least confidence by those who knew him best. He could utter the most palpable exaggeration or marvelous absurdity with the utmost apparent gravity.â€v Such accusations are obviously not appreciated in Mormon circles, but they have never been refuted by non-Mormon contemporaries.vi
Also we should consider a statement signed by 62 residents of Palmyra, NY, were the Smith family lived for some time: “We the undersigned, have been acquainted with the Smith family for a number of years, while they resided near this place. We have no hesitation in saying that we consider them destitute of that moral character which ought to entitle them to the confidence of any community. They were particularly famous for visionary projects; spent much of their time in digging for money which they pretended was hid in the earth, and a large excavation may be seen in the earth not far from their residence where they used to spend their time in digging for hidden treasures. Joseph Smith, Sr., and his son, Joseph, were in particular considered entirely destitute of moral character and addicted to vicious habits.â€vii
This statement “cannot be impeached by any honest historian – and it certainly has never been disproved by any Mormons as attested by history.â€viii “Howe was a contemporary of Smith and did the most thorough job of research on the Mormon prophet and his religion; his work is today considered prima face evidence of the highest veracity.â€ix
Smith’s father also claimed to receive visions and his mother displayed an interest in the occult and could be called a psychic.x With such parents it is not surprising that Smith’s youth could be summed up by his principal biographer as that of “a likable ne’er-do-well who was notorious for tall tales and necromantic arts and who spent his leisure leading a band of idlers in digging for buried treasure.â€xi “Was it not inevitable that with such a background plus a highly imaginative disposition of his own, fanned by religious fanaticism which was rampant around Palmyra, New York, where his family now lived, that Joseph Smith would, in 1820, have his first vision?â€xii
The Book of Mormon versus The Word of God. Mormons respect the authority of the Bible “as far as translated correctly.†This is a convenient loophole to avoid Biblical teaching. The Mormon apostle Orson Pratt said, “What shall we say then, concerning the Bible being a sufficient guide? Can we rely upon it in its present corrupted state, as being a faithful record of God’s word? We all know that but a few inspired writings have descended to our times… Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution, so as to convey the same sense now that it did in the original.â€xiii
Despite Mormon assertions to the contrary, the New Testament of Jesus Christ is absolute, complete and final. Jesus said, “When He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into ALL the truth†(John 16:13). Truth was fully revealed in the first century (1 Corinthians 13:8-10; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). Thus, the gospel is called the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25). The Faith was once delivered to the saints (Jude 3). That leaves no room for the Book of Mormon. Furthermore, since God has given to us “all things that pertain unto life and godliness,†then the Book of Mormon can only contain that which pertains to death and ungodliness (2 Peter 1:3). Not only is the Book of Mormon superfluous, it stands condemned as another gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). Man is not permitted to add to or diminish ought from the word of God. (Revelation 22:18-19).
Discrepancies In The Book Of Mormon. A fundamental principle of truth is that it does not contradict itself. Yet the Book of Mormon repeatedly contradicts the Bible. Notice some of the outlandish statements found in their “inspired†books:
The Book of Mormon, supposedly written approximately 400 B.C., is filled with direct plagiarisms of the KJV, which was not translated from the Greek until over 1000 years later. For example compare 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 with Moroni 7:45-46. Shakespeare is also quoted. Compare Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 with 2 Nephi 1:14. Why would the Book of Mormon contain such quotations in Elizabethan English? Is it prophecy or plagiarism? I affirm the latter.
There are great differences between the original versions and the modern Book of Mormon. Although Joseph Smith claimed divine guidance in translating the golden tablets, there have been more than 3,900 changes in the Book of Mormon since the 1830 edition. Is the process of inspiration so full of mistakes? (John 16:13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1-8 ; Luke 2:4), but the Book of Mormon says he was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10).
The Bible teaches baptism for remission of sins (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38), but the Doctrine and Covenants teaches remission of sins before baptism (D&C 20:37). Interestingly, Mormons contradict themselves on this point (3 Nephi 12:2).
Its a cult! cant you see that?
remember Jim Jones?
Remember the prayer. God always answers my prayers. Always!
What i posted above is from another site and are not my words but agree with it 100%. I think the questions you are asking you have already made up your mind on.
One thing that I have learned is to not take another’s word for anything unless they can back it up. I dont know how anyone can justify putting this Law ( the tithe) on another. Its putting yourself under the law and the law saved no one. In christ Jesus the law has no hold on anyone, the law is dead As is the tithe.
I no longer call myself a christian Because most Christian leaders have given Jesus a bad name as you guys have and dont teach the whole truth. They have decided to serve $$$. Jesus said to feed my sheep and i didn’t hear him say to fleese them. Love God and love your neighbor and give from your heart not meaning just money.
may this board be cursed and the people be blessed of the lord. in Jesus name amen! later maybe
I’m begining to think that Michael Elzey’s real agenda is to use up all of Kim’s bandwidth rather than convince anyone of any particular viewpoint…
Which means you’re just here to harass, right, Michael?
but then you all dont believe in the new testament either but added another book to it. Mr. Smith was a false teacher. Test his teaching with the new testament and you’ll see it doesn’t line up.
And i have already proven it with the things i have already posted above. You teach a lie here on this forum. And you people put yourselfs under a curse. Satan has got you rate where he wants you.
Michael
You have proven nothing. If you have such a problem with our beliefs, I don’t see why you comment here. So please keep your contentious opinions to a dull roar.
The Book of Mormon versus The Word of God. Mormons respect the authority of the Bible “as far as translated correctly.†This is a convenient loophole to avoid Biblical teaching. The Mormon apostle Orson Pratt said, “What shall we say then, concerning the Bible being a sufficient guide? Can we rely upon it in its present corrupted state, as being a faithful record of God’s word? We all know that but a few inspired writings have descended to our times… Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution, so as to convey the same sense now that it did in the original.â€xiii
Despite Mormon assertions to the contrary, the New Testament of Jesus Christ is absolute, complete and final. Jesus said, “When He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into ALL the truth†(John 16:13). Truth was fully revealed in the first century (1 Corinthians 13:8-10; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). Thus, the gospel is called the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25). The Faith was once delivered to the saints (Jude 3). That leaves no room for the Book of Mormon. Furthermore, since God has given to us “all things that pertain unto life and godliness,†then the Book of Mormon can only contain that which pertains to death and ungodliness (2 Peter 1:3). Not only is the Book of Mormon superfluous, it stands condemned as another gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). Man is not permitted to add to or diminish ought from the word of God. (Revelation 22:18-19).
Discrepancies In The Book Of Mormon. A fundamental principle of truth is that it does not contradict itself. Yet the Book of Mormon repeatedly contradicts the Bible. Notice some of the outlandish statements found in their “inspired†books:
The Book of Mormon, supposedly written approximately 400 B.C., is filled with direct plagiarisms of the KJV, which was not translated from the Greek until over 1000 years later. For example compare 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 with Moroni 7:45-46. Shakespeare is also quoted. Compare Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1 with 2 Nephi 1:14. Why would the Book of Mormon contain such quotations in Elizabethan English? Is it prophecy or plagiarism? I affirm the latter.
There are great differences between the original versions and the modern Book of Mormon. Although Joseph Smith claimed divine guidance in translating the golden tablets, there have been more than 3,900 changes in the Book of Mormon since the 1830 edition. Is the process of inspiration so full of mistakes? (John 16:13; 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus was born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1-8 ; Luke 2:4), but the Book of Mormon says he was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10).
The Bible teaches baptism for remission of sins (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38), but the Doctrine and Covenants teaches remission of sins before baptism (D&C 20:37). Interestingly, Mormons contradict themselves on this point (3 Nephi 12:2).
you guys must really hate god. Tho the truth is rate in front of your eyes you refuse it and except a lie.
Okay. I’ll bite.
Where does the Old Testament teach that tithing constitutes 38% of your income?
tortdog
Don’t encourage him. He’s just looking for an audience and the more we respond to him the more he gets going.
Hey…he’s dissing the Old Testament. I didn’t realize that his faith believed that the Old Testament was not the word of God. I’d like to hear his spin on that.
there is no way to dispute the truth other than delete it and i’m very surprised it hasn’t been like Georges coments were. You have no way to back up your disputes so you start to throw mud and slander and lie fruit of the devil not of god.
“fruit of the devil”
I imagine this would be the pomegranate.
Red, kinda evil looking and a devil to eat.
Reminds me of So I Married an Axe Murderer.
“Fru-EETS of the de-VEEL”
was that from So I Married An Axe Murderer? I can’t remember now. I thought it was the Church Lady on SNL. Oh no, right, “she” says “Could it be SATAN? Hmmm??” OR something like that.
I loved So I Married an Axe Murderer, it was hilarious. Especially at the end when Amanda Plummer is (as the true Axe murderer) chasing Mike Myers around on the roof of the hotel with an axe and trying not to laugh.
Michael Elzey said: “i see the demons coming out.
there is no way to dispute the truth other than delete it and i’m very surprised it hasn’t been like Georges coments were.”
Kim will move comments to the Bill thread. Go to search and type in bill and you will find the missing items.
This thread sure has gotten off subject.
Following are the teachings of its officials throughout the years. Please note that these teachings are documented from Mormon writers, not anti-Mormon writers.
Finally, many Mormons respond that most of the the citations below are not from official Mormon writings, as if that disproves the doctrines they teach. If they are not official, fine. But, if not, then why have the Mormon apostles and high officials taught them, written them, and why are their books sold in Mormon bookstores? The truth is, the following is what Mormons are taught.
Atonement
“Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane,” (Laurel Rohlfing, “Sharing Time: The Atonement,†Friend, Mar. 1989, 39.)
“We accept Christ’s atonement by repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and obeying all of the commandments,” (Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 68.)
Baptism
Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. II, p. 141.) This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the “newly baptized” person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven.
Bible
“We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. . .” 8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church.
“Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.” (1 Nephi 13:28).
Book of Mormon
The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, 4:461.)
Devil, the
The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus “in the morning of pre-existence,” (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.)
Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)
A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus’ plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to “deny men their agency and to dethrone god.” (Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8.)
God
God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.)
“The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s…” (D&C 130:22).
God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.)
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345
God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105.)
God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, pages 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428.)
God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; vol. 8, p. 115.) – This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always ‘officially’ taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it.
“Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones.” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).
God, becoming a god
After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.)
“Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them,” (DC 132:20).
God, many gods
There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)
“And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3)
God, mother goddess
There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443.)
God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine p. 516.)
God, Trinity
The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. “That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man.” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.)
Gospel, the
The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 182-185.)
Consists of laws and ordinances: “As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements — ‘obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'” (Articles of Faith p. 79)
Heaven
There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial, Mormon Doctrine, p. 348.
Holy Ghost, the
The Holy Ghost is a male personage, A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, (Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, page 118; Journal of Discources, Vol. 5, page 179.)
Jesus
The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.)
Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163; Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15.)
Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856.)
“Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones.” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).
“The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood – was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8: p. 115).
“Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers” (Mormon Doctrine,” by Bruce McConkie, p. 547).
“Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost …Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!” (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18).
“Elohim is literally the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the body in which Jesus Christ performed His mission in the flesh …” (First Presidency and Council of the Twelve, 1916, God the Father, compiled by Gordon Allred, pg. 150).
Joseph Smith
If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670.)
Pre-existence
We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth, (Journal of Discourse, Vol. 4, p. 218.)
The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.)
The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus “in the morning of pre-existence,” (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.)
Prophets
We need prophets today, the same as in the Old Testament, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 444-445.)
Salvation
“One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation.” (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206.)
A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus’ plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to “deny men their agency and to dethrone god.” (Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8.)
Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856.)
Good works are necessary for salvation, Articles of Faith, p. 92.)
There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God, (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188.)
“The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79.)
“As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements — ‘obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'” (Articles of Faith p. 79).
“This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts” (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).
“We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do,” (2 Nephi 25:23).
Trinity, the
The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. “That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man.” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.)
“Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]–three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God–he would be a giant or a monster.” (Joseph Smith, Teachings, 372).
Some Mormons may disagree with a few of the points listed on this page, but all of what is stated here is from Mormon authors in good standing of the Mormon church.
Michael, as impressive as your cutting and pasting skills are, some of us rather hoped you would engage in actual dialogue, or perhaps even actual thought. If all you’re here to do is quote material from someone else—material that has utterly nothing to do with the topic of the post—then, as we’ve said before, you’re wasting your time.
You didn’t research and compile the material above; you just found another lengthy quote to plagiarize from someone else’s anti-Mormon website. My advice is, stop copying and start thinking.
plagiarize, i never claimed this as my own writings.
but hope someone might get the picture of what you are all about.
I thought sientology was bad.
it makes me sad to think so many our lost. God knows i tryed to do my best. and it up to him now.
you’ve got it wrong about calling it a anti or hate mormon site.
They dont hate you guy their just exposeing the cult. You guy lost the rudder
Michael Elzy said: “I thought sientology was bad.”
Is sientology a new religion?
Real Question for Michael – Is there anyone else on the face of the earth that believes the same stuff you do?
2nd Part – I assume you believe in baptism. Did you Baptise yourself? If not, who baptized you?
Real Question for Michael – Is there anyone else on the face of the earth that believes the same stuff you do?
I believe in Jesus and the new testament. Now answer your own question.
baptized, as the new testament teaches. water and spirit
George, Ltbugaf, everyone
Just ignore him, he’s looking for an audience and we provided one too long.
If we leave him alone maybe he will go away. He’s just reiterating the old anti diatribe. It answers itself.
“Oy vey,” said the father, “What have I done?” He took his problem to his best friend.
“Ike,” he said, “I sent my son to Israel, and he came home a Christian. What can I do?”
“Funny you should ask,” said Ike. “I, too, sent my son to Israel, and he also came home a Christian.
Perhaps we should go see the rabbi. So they did, and they explained their problem to the rabbi.
“Funny you should ask,” said the rabbi. “I, too, sent my son to Israel, and he also came home a Christian.
What is happening to our young people?”
And so they all prayed, telling the Lord about their sons. As they finished their prayer, a voice came from the heavens:
“Funny you should ask,” said the voice. “I, too, sent my son to Israel…………
Related to what Rick posted, this is how I see it:
I pay you $ XXX.XX and I get a couple of hinges or a doorknob.
>plagiarize, i never claimed this as my own writings.
Actually, you did, Michael. When you post an comment on this blog, it prefaces your remarks with:
>Michael Elzey said:
But it’s not true. You are copying the words of other people and passing them off as your own. Shameful. At least give the author credit. Copy the work but tell the reader who actually wrote it.
Actually, you did, Michael. When you post an comment on this blog, it prefaces your remarks with:
>Michael Elzey said:
But it’s not true. You are copying the words of other people and passing them off as your own. Shameful. At least give the author credit. Copy the work but tell the reader who actually wrote it.
Well this forum says alot of thing thats not true. try useing michael elzey posted.
you can poke me all you want but it still doesn’t take away from the truth i posted here. You people are a bunch of dunb donkeys to believe the crap you’ve been spooned
Ummmm…
What crap have I been spooned, precisely?
Is dunb donkeys some kind of new animal?
Michael – Did you attend public schools or a religious one?
He flew into the water, not realizing that as he swam toward the middle of the lake, an alligator was swimming toward the shore.
His father working in the yard saw the two as they got closer and closer together. In utter fear, he ran toward the water, yelling to his son as loudly as he could.
Hearing his voice, the little boy became alarmed and made a U-turn to swim to his father. It was too late. Just as he reached his father, the alligator reached him. From the dock, the father grabbed his little boy by the arms just as the alligator snatched his legs. That began an incredible tug-of-war between the two. The alligator was much stronger than the father, but the father was much too passionate to let go. A farmer happened to drive by, heard his screams, raced from his truck, took aim and shot the alligator.
Remarkably, after weeks and weeks in the hospital, the little boy survived. His legs were extremely scarred by the vicious attack of the animal. And, on his arms, were deep scratches where his father’s fingernails dug into his flesh in his effort to hang on to the son he loved.
The newspaper reporter who interviewed the boy after the trauma, asked if he would show him his scars. The boy lifted his pant legs. And then, with obvious pride, he said to the reporter, “But look at my arms. I have great scars on my arms, too. I have them because my Dad wouldn’t let go.”
You and I can identify with that little boy. We have scars, too. No, not from an alligator, but the scars of a painful past. Some of those scars are unsightly and have caused us deep regret. But, some wounds, my friend, are because God has refused to let go. In the midst of your struggle, He’s been there holding on to you.
The Scripture teaches that God loves you. You are a child of God He wants to protect you and provide for you in every way But sometimes we foolishly wade into dangerous situations, not knowing what lies ahead. The swimming hole of life is filled with peril – and we forget that the enemy is waiting to attack. That’s when the tug-of-war begins – and if you have the scars of His love on your arms, be very, very grateful. He did not and will not ever let you go.
the true son of the most high god!
do you believe he died for the sins of all people? and rose from the dead? In John he spoke at the point of death, it is finished.
but you all mock that so that makes you all unbelievers and under the law. and the law saved no one. Not a safe place to be IMO
Hey Mike, are there bars on the windows where you live?
How can I tell?
Yeah, if those are the qualifications, I do not have the love of christ in my heart.
I do however have the love of Starbucks in my hand, if that’s any consolation to you.
That’s an awfully long list to be typing out here…
Why does it matter?
Right after Thor and before Aquaman
“Right after Thor and before Aquaman”
Well, at least it’s not the other way around. That would so suck to put him after a DC comic book hero.
Rick said: “Since I’ve never paid tithing, I really have no idea how it is handled and I’m quite curious.”
Have you ever made a donation to a religious organization?
Yes, several via bake sale, bingos etc.
So Rick, do you feel like you got something worthwhile for your donations?
meh.
I doubt I got value for my dollar for anything other than the games of chance.
For that matter, I don’t pay tithing because I feel I get something worthwhile in return.
Paying tithing isn’t about what we get in return. It’s a commandment. So I do it because we’re told to. That’s what faith is.
However, with regards to is tithing as simple as I give ** so I get **. Personally I believe so, it is yes. We give our money, the Lord gives us temples, chapels, Seminary buildings, activities in YM and YW, YSA dances, conferences, study materials – all of which help us to learn and to grow and to come closer to our Heavenly Father.
So paying tithing directly equals being able to come nearer to our Heavenly Father.
What cost do you put on eternal life in the Celestial Kingdom? I don’t think that any amount of tithing we pay will buy it – it is the obedience to this commandment of the Lord which is securing (buying) our place in the Celestial Kingdom.
Paying tithing isn’t about what we get in return. It’s a commandment. So I do it because we’re told to. That’s what faith is.
However, with regards to is tithing as simple as I give ** so I get **. Personally I believe so, it is yes. We give our money, the Lord gives us temples, chapels, Seminary buildings, activities in YM and YW, YSA dances, conferences, study materials – all of which help us to learn and to grow and to come closer to our Heavenly Father.
So paying tithing directly equals being able to come nearer to our Heavenly Father.
What cost do you put on eternal life in the Celestial Kingdom? I don’t think that any amount of tithing we pay will buy it – it is the obedience to this commandment of the Lord which is securing (buying) our place in the Celestial Kingdom.
No where did Jesus command us to pay a tithe