Comments on: Stem Cell Research https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:54:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Steve EM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13417 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:54:04 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13417 All,
I was poking fun at the idea that one country purchasing a good or service developed in another country somehow puts the purchaser at the seller’s mercy.

IMHO, we Yanks should have bought French nuclear electricity technology and service rather than developed our own. They do a much better, safer, less expensive job of it. There’s just no reason not to buy from the best supplier, whereever they might be.

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By: BrianJ https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13415 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:37:56 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13415 “Yanks will one day be at their mercy for treatment”

Makes me think of rabies and smallpox.

I suspect that our next president–whomever that may be–will promptly retract Pres Bush’s executive order.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13413 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:25:25 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13413 Steve EM

I don’t think all French hate Americans. Or all Americans hate French (in spite of the “freedom fries”). Profit always overrides, or at least usually. Anyway, it’s the drug companies that control it all anyway, no matter where they are. They don’t care about nationality at all. They care about money money money. For that matter, they don’t care about health. They would love to keep everyone sick so they keep taking their drugs. Money money money. Oh sorry, off topic.

A question, why do you use the spelling “G-d” as orthodox Jewish people do, when referring to Heavenly Father?

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By: Steve EM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13411 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:58:17 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13411 “Yanks will one day be at their mercy for treatment”

Oh please! So if I’m a USA patient buying a treatment from a Canadian or French, etc company that was originally pioneered from a Canadian or French, etc University, I’ll somehow pay more than I would to a USA firm, or be at another country’s mercy. I’ll have to remember that the next time I take a French supplied med I take, how I’m so fortunet they’ve overlooked my nationality and hatred of me and were so gracious to sell me the stuff. Thank G-d the profit motive overrides the nonsense of human bigotry.

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By: KimSiever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13409 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:59:11 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13409 “the premise of the Christian and Mormon opposition to abortion. . .is that life does begin at conception.”

For the record, the Mormon church does not take a stance on when life begins. If you heard Mormons say that life begins at conception, that is their own opinions.

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By: Dan https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13406 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:24:25 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13406 Yep, BrianJ, you’re right…”nut-jobs” was inappropriate, and I apologize.

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By: BrianJ https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13404 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:56:51 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13404 Steve EM: “…but I do respect his convictions on the issue.” It’s both easy to agree and disagree with you here. I can respect Bush’s convictions, but at some point I wonder where is the line between convictions and stubbornness?

Dan the Second: While I clearly disagree with Pres Bush’s decision, I refrain from calling him and his supporters “nut-jobs.” Such talk shuts down communication and with it cooperation.

“considerable hypocrisy of approving ANY lines of stem cells to exist”

Yes, that is a problem.

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By: Dan https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13403 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:43:56 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13403 Forgive me for being unclear. I was attempting to point out that while Bush almost certainly used his veto power to placate the religious right/wrong, there is still considerable hypocrisy of approving ANY lines of stem cells to exist, let alone the 60 that Brian J mentioned. Also, I was trying to show how religious teachings simply don’t mesh with the actions of so-called believers.

You have a point, though, in that none of these blog posts mentioned that life begins at conception. But this does seem to be a crowd fairly steeped in religious beliefs, and the premise of the Christian and Mormon opposition to abortion (and stem cell research) is that life does begin at conception.

BTW (lest there be any doubt), I’m not the same “Dan” who submitted the first post on this topic.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13401 Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:25:43 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13401 Who are you talking to, Dan? Did someone here say life begins at conception?

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By: Dan https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-13395 Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:19:36 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/07/21/stem-cell-research/#comment-13395 If you truly believe that human life begins at conception, then you MUST believe that the destruction of that life, even if it is the very first cell division after sperm and ovum unite, is a form of homicide. It follows that, if the story Joseph Smith made up is true, the destroyed…”killed” or “murdered”…”life” will go on to have its own planet, become a God, etc., etc. Shouldn’t Christians and Mormons also give those dead cells names, birth and death certificates, and funerals? Since Bush is a True Believer in whoever is now making the rules for Christianity, I’ll give him credit for his integrity. As with the abortion debate, Christians and Mormons value the “life” of an embryo or fetus more than that of a person who has been born. (Note that there is no record of Jesus opining about whether life begins at conception…how could the Son of GOD screw up so monumentally?!)

While the religious nut-jobs in the U.S. prevent stem cell research from progressing, other more advanced (i.e., pragmatic) cultures — including, perhaps, Canadians — will discover the cures for innumerable ailments, and Yanks will one day be at their mercy for treatment.

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