Comments on: Magic Mushrooms: a stairway to heaven?

By: Bill

Bill — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:57:59 +0000

Interesting thought – How can someone be a spiritual leader if they have not been visited by the Spirit of God.

By: Jack

Jack — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:08:26 +0000

No silly mystical measure imployed to get a handle on the universe has ever helped me to become a better christian. ‘Can’t say the same for counsel from loving LDS leaders.

By: poeticly

poeticly — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:24:49 +0000

Fascinating, every spiritual teacher with any horse power, from Joseph Smith to Moses, to Mohamad, to Gandhi, to Jesus Christ, to Rumi, to Buddha, taught that all things are spiritual. Humans, not just Mormons, must recognize this three dimensional existence as a training ground provided to remove blinders, exposing all things spiritual. Until we see the simple, to often taken for granted, opening of a beautiful rose a spiritual happening, we certainly will not recognize angels in our midst, healings ongoing, apparent defiance of natural laws, further light and knowledge coming into our space, personal as well as universal.

Should it be required that individuals live their lives before they are born in order to prove they are worthy to take a body? I dont think so.

Church callings, like the calling to humanhood, are more for the callee than anyone else. We expect these, blooding burning saps, called leaders, working to serve to the best of their abilities to have answers to issues and questions that, often, should never leave the questioning individual’s closet, heart. We are all responsible to work out our own salvation. Too many church goers expect someone, anyone, to provide answers that may or may not be available to any one but the inquisitor, and not available until asked. Then when we follow someone else’s “counsel” and fall flat we want to judge/blame them for our ignorance.

Every breath is a spiritual gift, recognized only through a personal experience with “other.” We like to put names on stuff that really have no name, like Holy Spirit. This human joker has no inside info on what those unknowns are suppose to be called. I will continue to push the envelope, walk the edge, finding gravity by falling down, and it anit no sin. It’s all about learning boundaries.

By: George

George — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:29:30 +0000

Is it true that most LDS have never had a true spiritual experience where the Holy Ghost or an angel appears to them.

Would it be logical to assume those that have had a true spiritual experience would not find favour with church leaders who have not had an experiece themselves?

Would members who have not had one themselves also treat those who have as outcast?

Should it be a requirement that Church leaders have a spitural experiece before becoming a Bishop?

If not why not?

By: poeticly

poeticly — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:19:55 +0000

I feel to share my experiences. I am a Temple veil worker. Joined the Church at 30. Prior to membership I had several lsd, magic mushroom and extensive expereince with marijuana, not to mention alchol. I suggest those experiences assisted me in recognizing the organization set up to restore and manage a higher Priesthood in this day. After 23 years of membership/abstinence from all drugs, legal and illegal, I was given opportunity to participate in federally sanctioned Native American peyote cermonies. In fact, a day after attending one such Saturday ceremony I fulfilled an assignment to speak in sacrament meeting. Stoned? oh probably, self-convicted/guilty? not a speck, inspired/inspiring? yes.
In my humble opinion, observing the number of divorces, child abuse, legal drug usage, spousal abuse, percentage of tith payers and Temple attendees, on and on, the best kept secret in the Mormon church is the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Mormons are great at judging the level of righteousness of others and dead blind to self assessment.

By: Larry

Larry — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:46:41 +0000

Sorry to be late to this discussion but I have been extremely busy lately.
I know of a group who were not involved in a study, who also took magic mushrooms and who also had some interesting experiences with the big guy – only it wasn’t who it should be – and their lives are forever altered.
To think that real, true spiritual experiences can come from a mushroom, or any other form of artificial means, simply reveals a thought process that thinks that things of value can be had with no effort. It can not and will not happen.

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:59:58 +0000

hyperventilation doesn’t count.

By: Bill

Bill — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:54:50 +0000

Stick your head in a paper bag and breath real hard for 10 minutes, things will be better as long as you don’t drive a car.

Would this be against the W of W?

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:38:40 +0000

lol. yeah great, then someone’d force me to eat meat. ewwwwwww

By: rick

rick — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:30:03 +0000

“The opinions would be rampant.”

So we remove the chance for people to have opinions, and we have the prophet draft the list himself.

See? Problem Solved. Easy.