Comments on: Obedience as a general principle https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:31:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: George https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12866 Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:31:46 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12866 What a good answer. I am impressed.

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By: Nermalcat https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12854 Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:18:40 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12854 Mary, I too have found that even a typically unruly kid will stop in their tracks if they sense enough panic in their mother’s voice. Quite interesting.

Anyhow, Rick, I read somewhere that there is a difference between caving in to your kid and simply changing your mind for a brilliant negotiater. In other words, if my kid whines or has a tantrum I become very rigid about them doing as I say, whereas if they calmly present their reasoning as to why they should not have to obey, there is a possibility, depending on the situation, that I might change my mind. I guess that as long as the kid realizes you are not always rigid about everything, it still leaves a door open for critical thinking and questioning. I think this is OK as long as you are choosy(and as fair as possible) about the things you firmly declare as truly non-negotiable.

Of course, this requires a lot more hassle for the parents at times, and sometimes when your tired it’s all too easy to go with the “because I said so” reasoning. Also, there are just some reasons for rules that a kid just can’t yet comprehend. I suppose it isn’t too damaging as long as we revert to this obey-because-I-say-so form of “tyranny” only once-in-a-while.

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By: Bishop Rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12314 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 07:38:22 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12314 Obedience is a tough one. I don’t think gaining a testimony of a prophet’s divine calling is justification for blind obedience. How do you gain a testimony of such a thing to begin with? All the followers of David Koresh, Jim Jones, Osama Bin Laden, etc. ad nauseum, all had/have testimonies of their “prophets” devine calling, and they all blindly followed/follow their “prophet”.

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By: Ann https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12242 Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:43:28 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12242 I think a big part of getting kids to obey is to let them make decisions when they can. Chocolate or vanilla? Top or bottom bunk? Story or song at bedtime?

It’s important that obedience doesn’t become about control. Obedience is for teaching and protecting.

Obedience also needs to be based on trust. That’s a big help when the kids get older. If they trust that you have their best interests at heart – that you aren’t just trying to control them, but trying to help them to be happy, they are going to be more likely to obey.

Tone of voice is also huge. Both of the kids I still have at home (though the older one is only home occasionally) are pretty good about helping out and doing what I ask, because I ASK. I have heard so many parents bark at their kids, and order them to do things, and the kids are sulky and resentful because they aren’t being treated respectfully.

Of course, some kids, there’s just nothing you can do…

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12104 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:41:33 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12104 Absolutely, Mum. Teenagers rebel because they think critically. They start questioning orders/assignments/directions.

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12100 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:42:14 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12100 JM, I think it’s just part of teaching children about the value of social contracts.

In society we do things because society as a whole has determined that we’re better off following a set of rules.

It’s exactly the same with the family contract. Every family member has rights and responsibilities which must be followed. The sooner children understand the concept of a social contract, the better.

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By: JM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12097 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:11:31 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12097 Follow up:

Last night, my daughter comes running into the living room. She wants to show me something in her bed room.

We go upstairs and into her room, It’s spotless. Clothes put away, bed made, and a huge, beaming smile on her face!

She got a big hug from me and the dog slept with her last night.

Perhaps if I was a tyrant all the time, she might think of how mean I am, but I think that if you have a good relationship with your children, and you are consistent and fair in your approach to discipline, you can enforce family rules without all of the negative side affects.

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By: Sally https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12086 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:16:53 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12086 JM I would suggest in the future when your children are getting ready for bed then you do the room check at that time not after the dog is in and everyone is ready to go to sleep. Your daughter that night that was very upset is not going to remember that she made a deal with you prior and by breaking that rule lost her privilege.. She is going to remember how mean you were taking the dog out after they were already ready for bed. Not very logical but very probably

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By: Sally https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12085 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:11:35 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12085 Kim do you really think teenagers think critically or would you being sarcastic self?

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By: Doc https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/comment-page-1/#comment-12077 Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:24:18 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/28/obedience-as-a-general-principle/#comment-12077 I think obeying is never meant to be blind. We should seek to understand, but we have to be teachable to understand. I also believe greater understanding is granted to those who CHOOSE to obey. I think one of the keys to becoming christlike is when we learn that obedience is a choice too.

Paradoxically, it is also a key to becoming more like God. God uses and obeys natural laws and as I understand it, this obedience leads to greater light, knowledge and power.

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