Comments on: Denying the Holy Ghost and Murder https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:12:53 +0000 hourly 1 By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-67127 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:12:53 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-67127 “extremely dangerous spiritually”

What precisely does that mean?

“How exactly does one get to the place of denying that?”

Perhaps one may decide that the books in which those actions are written are not literal. That’s a pretty good start.

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By: college blogger https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-67097 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:28:09 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-67097 As one who has had first hand experience with the Holy Spirit, my opinion is that it would be extremely dangerous spiritually to deny it. After all God sent His son (in the form of man) and then His Son (Jesus) ascended and send in His place, the Holy Spirit. How exactly does one get to the place of denying that?

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By: Chichi Cooper https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-66678 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:47:18 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-66678 where boutz in the bible does it say that christ says u can deny him but not the holy ghost?? im interested..im a convert, 2 years..preparing to go on a mission..email it to me at wasupchi@hotmail.com…thanx heaps

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By: The Practical Mormon https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-11212 Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:35:38 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-11212 A profound insight, KS. I believe you may be correct.

Until this moment, I’ve held to the following theory: That one must needs have received the ordinance of second annointing to qualify as Dude Who can Blaspheme Against the Holy Ghost.

Now I must needs reappraise my position.

–The Practical Mormon

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-10872 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:11:32 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-10872 Or that Alma was even referring to sexual sin, Steve.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-10869 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:05:27 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-10869 Rick

I can only wish! lol Well one day they will get paid for what they do.

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By: Mark Butler https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-10865 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:34:40 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-10865 By the way, D&C 132:27 does not strictly entail the proposition that is the *only* only way to deny the Holy Ghost, otherwise it is hard to account for the pre-mortal Sons of Perdition.

Hebrews 6:4-6 has a rather more inclusive account as well.

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By: Mark Butler https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-10862 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:26:23 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-10862 Note David forfeit his exaltation, and it was a common belief among the Anti-Nephi-Lehis that they had forfeit their souls as well.

As far as I know, the Church does not baptize murderers, certainly not without First Presidency clearance.

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By: JM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-10860 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:02:37 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-10860 Denying the holy ghost is to shed the only truly innocent blood that ever was… the blood of Jesus Christ. The rest of us are guilty of something.

To deny the holy ghost is to crucify anew the Savior. Thus, you must have a complete understanding of Him, His mission, and His power, and still choose to completly deny his divinity, joining camp with those who crucified him at the end of his mortal ministry.

When the scriptures speak of the sheding of innocent blood, they are not speaking of innocence of any one specific crime, but rather the completly innocent blood that was sacrificed for all sim. There is only one who fits this definition.

Personally, I think the only other candidates who would fit this would be those who have not reached the age of accountability, although they are not a suitable sacrifice for sin. But still, it puts sins like abortion in a different light.

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By: Matt https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/comment-page-1/#comment-10859 Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:52:08 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/06/07/denying-the-holy-ghost-and-murder/#comment-10859 ve never quite understood the reason why denying the Holy Ghost was so unforgivable. In the New Testament, the Savior said that it was forgivable to deny Him, the Savior, but it was unforgivable to deny the Holy Ghost. Why is that, when both are equal members of the Godhead? My guess is that it deals with the Holy Spirit touching our hearts, a very sensitive thing, but I am just not sure." I would have to agree with you here and I think it has more to do with their individual missions. The Saviour fullfilled hi earthly mission here ie: Teaching, Establishing the Gospel, Atonement, Death, Resurrection etc.. The purpose of the Holy Ghost is on the other hand to Witness, to all who sincerely seek, that Jesus is the Christ, doing so through direct communication to our spirit. All other things to us are temporal in senses, eyes, ears, smell, touch... but the Holy Ghosts communicates to us Spirit to Spirit and when that happens because it is a light to our minds the witness of the truth is born. I love that. I would much rather have a witness from the Holy Ghost than a vision or visitation of angels. (note to self: it would be extrememly cool to be visited by an heavenly messenger... ummmm. and scary. rofl!)]]> Dan, you stated,

“For me, I’ve never quite understood the reason why denying the Holy Ghost was so unforgivable. In the New Testament, the Savior said that it was forgivable to deny Him, the Savior, but it was unforgivable to deny the Holy Ghost. Why is that, when both are equal members of the Godhead? My guess is that it deals with the Holy Spirit touching our hearts, a very sensitive thing, but I am just not sure.”

I would have to agree with you here and I think it has more to do with their individual missions.

The Saviour fullfilled hi earthly mission here ie: Teaching, Establishing the Gospel, Atonement, Death, Resurrection etc.. The purpose of the Holy Ghost is on the other hand to Witness, to all who sincerely seek, that Jesus is the Christ, doing so through direct communication to our spirit. All other things to us are temporal in senses, eyes, ears, smell, touch… but the Holy Ghosts communicates to us Spirit to Spirit and when that happens because it is a light to our minds the witness of the truth is born.

I love that. I would much rather have a witness from the Holy Ghost than a vision or visitation of angels.

(note to self: it would be extrememly cool to be visited by an heavenly messenger… ummmm. and scary. rofl!)

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