Comments on: How long until something like this happens in Bountiful, BC? https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:30:17 +0000 hourly 1 By: Steve EM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10584 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:30:17 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10584 s off topic, but to be honest, when I was having those difficulties, I never really lost faith and always kind of figured I’d settle down, get married and get right with the Lord when I met the right gal. In short, I knew I was too weak to repent outside of marriage and sort of self excommunicated. To your question, if my weakness was typical, and in such a case, a single, post mission, endowed Elder, serial fornicator confessed his sin and made an assessment the sin would continue in the absence of any marriage prospects, what choice would the church have but to discipline such an individual? To my personal situation, repentance plans were greatly accelerated a couple years after leaving BYU. I was living with an active LDS gal, who had replaced an earlier live-in gf. It was the first relationship I’d had with another LDS since leaving BYU, and things were so good, I asked her to marry me. She dragged me back to church to confess and asked the Bishop to marry us. In my case, the Bishop of course referred the matter to the stake. No hearing or action was taken against my wife-to-be. In my mind, I fully expected to get exed, not so much for the prior fornication, but as punishment for corrupting one of their own in that local unit. I know, screwy thinking, but that’s what was going through my head. To my amazement, almost the entire focus was on getting us married quickly to get out of the situation, and pointing us in the direction of preparing for Temple marriage down the road.]]> Well Bill, it’s off topic, but to be honest, when I was having those difficulties, I never really lost faith and always kind of figured I’d settle down, get married and get right with the Lord when I met the right gal. In short, I knew I was too weak to repent outside of marriage and sort of self excommunicated. To your question, if my weakness was typical, and in such a case, a single, post mission, endowed Elder, serial fornicator confessed his sin and made an assessment the sin would continue in the absence of any marriage prospects, what choice would the church have but to discipline such an individual?

To my personal situation, repentance plans were greatly accelerated a couple years after leaving BYU. I was living with an active LDS gal, who had replaced an earlier live-in gf. It was the first relationship I’d had with another LDS since leaving BYU, and things were so good, I asked her to marry me. She dragged me back to church to confess and asked the Bishop to marry us. In my case, the Bishop of course referred the matter to the stake. No hearing or action was taken against my wife-to-be. In my mind, I fully expected to get exed, not so much for the prior fornication, but as punishment for corrupting one of their own in that local unit. I know, screwy thinking, but that’s what was going through my head. To my amazement, almost the entire focus was on getting us married quickly to get out of the situation, and pointing us in the direction of preparing for Temple marriage down the road.

]]> By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10577 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:19:12 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10577 *fingers crossed* refers to my fondest hope that the RCMP will go in to Bountiful, B.C. and charge Winston et al. with abuse of minors.

It would be a fitting end indeed if they happened to find Jeffs while they were there.

]]> By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10561 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:13:41 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10561 Bill

How would you know this? Have you been involved in church courts or in Bishopric meetings where members have been disciplined for immoral activity?

]]> By: Bill https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10558 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:16:54 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10558 Steve EM – Hope you don’t mind me asking personal questions. Did you repent before or after you were married?

Assuming you waited to repent after you were married, do you feel like you would have been treated the same if you had confesed while still single?

I aske this because it seems to me those who repent after marrying seem to receive a lessor punishment than those who confess while still single.

I am interested in your thoughts on this.

]]> By: Bill https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10557 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:11:41 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10557 Rick – What do you mean by Oh well, *fingers crossed*

]]> By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10547 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:11:55 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10547 Yes, Steve, I know that was your point. And my point was that you seem to have a perverse pride in the way you describe the horrible sexual sins you committed while attending BYU. It comes off as bragging, to me.

So now we both know each other’s points, right?

]]> By: Steve EM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10536 Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:11:17 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10536 s your beef with me. Tough ____. It can happen to anybody and most don’t make it back. I was very fortunate. I'm just glad my stake disciplinary council was kinder to me that you probably would have been.]]> Oh come-on Itbugaf, my point was not every adult having sex with a minor is a pervert, especially given the confusing patchwork of laws in the western world on this subject. I was/am hardly the only young single adult with that common weakness that I long ago repented of via marriage. Some orthodox LDS just freak because my past fall from grace occurred after serving an honorable mission, and perhaps that’s your beef with me. Tough ____. It can happen to anybody and most don’t make it back. I was very fortunate. I’m just glad my stake disciplinary council was kinder to me that you probably would have been.

]]> By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10400 Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:22:51 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10400 How many is that for you?

]]> By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10397 Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:19:28 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10397 Three comments in a row pointing out the faults of others. On a roll, ltbugaf?

]]> By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/comment-page-1/#comment-10393 Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:03:24 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/05/27/how-long-until-something-like-this-happens-in-bountiful-bc/#comment-10393 Steve, I see you’re still pointing with pride to your serial fornication days.

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