I have heard it said that the reason most Blacks had the priesthood withheld from them throughout the late 1800s and the mid 1900s was because they were cursed with the Curse of Cain. If this is true, why did Spencer W. Kimball not mention such a curse had been lifted when gave the Official Declaration that all worthy male members of the Church could hold the priesthood?
Curse of Cain
“You are correct about the scriptures needing to be updated. The stories about farming are so out of touch. They need to be changed to more modern city type themes that people will understand.”
I’d settle to just get all the Utah, American (U.S.) cultural influence out of church culture.
I’m sure there are many, many areas where the church is new, and all of the farming stories are completely relivant.
What I get a kick out of is how Central Church Leadership in Utah try so hard to make the pioneer theme fit every situation they can.
While I am greatful for the sacrifice of the westward trekking pioneers of the 1800’s, I don’t think they deserve to be on any taller a pedistal than Noah and his family, Jacob and family moving to Egypt, Moses leading Israel out of Egypt, or Lehi and family comming over to the Americas.
Did you watch the Pioneer Day Broadcast? I did not. Means nothing to me.
Adios Amigo
Mary said this about Bringham Young I like a lot of what he had to say, his racist comments I don’t agree with, but then as I said, he was a product of his upbringing and time.
Are you saying it is ok to be a Racist if during your time period on earth being a Racist was considered ok?
When I was a child, it was ok to be Racist, does that make it ok for me to one now?
I do not understand how you think a person can be a Racist and still a man of God (prophet) if being Racist is evil.
Please explain yourself to an older man who does not understand things as well as you younger folks.
It is not ok to be a racist. However, it is also not ok to make final judgements on people. People make mistakes. I am sure you, or anyone else for that matter have said or done things that you now regret (I know I have). Brigham Young was not, I believe, racist in the matter that many are today racist, where it is ok (according to their standards) to harm or abuse others because they are not like you. I do not believe, that in this day, Brigham Young would have been bigoted.
George, is your middle name Bill?
Your comments made sense after you explained them further.
I hope I don’t sound as angry like Bill. He seems to be angry at the world. I was just curious about what you meant.
Like Bill I am also in my 50’s and many of the things he writes about, I understand what he is trying to express. While I understand him, I do not agree with him.
No, I am not saying you sound angry, it’s just you sounded a lot like him in that comment (just his way of speaking, or writing I should say). :) Sorry, making a little joke. I hope it wasn’t offensice, I didn’t mean it in a negative way.
That’s ok, I don’t mind explaining what I meant, it’s good too because I get to think more about what I mean and how to phrase it.
I have a friend who belongs to a different faith (when we speak about religion, I call him a JW).
He told me one time that they believe the Blacks are the chosen race and whites are cursed ones.
I do not know if this is a general thing with them or just his understanding of the religion.
I have decided to change my views regarding blacks. I believe the Prophet was right and they are God’s children. Anything written above this are no longer my views regarding blacks and the church.
Was I wrong on the last posting?
You’re asking whether you were wrong about whether you’ve changed your views? Only you know that.
I watched the trailer for the film about the black girls from New York that attended EFY 3 years ago. It made me wonder if going to EFY was the right thing for them or if EFY was really for white kids from Utah.
For those of you interested in this topic, you might find the article: THE MARK OF THE CURSE Lingering Racism in Mormon Doctrine an interesting read.
I’d be interested to know what you think of it?
I found it interesting. What really caught my attention was when the author said his Bishop had taken his temple recomend away for a year as punishment. Not because of some sin but because someone higher than the Stake President had insisted upon it.
And the truth shall set you free.
The article explains LDS beliefs very well during the 70’s and 80’s.
Real people do not leave the Church cause someone stepped on their toes or they get their feelings hurt.
I would guess that many “real people” turn away from a church they don’t believe in after any number of catalysts strike, including hurt feelings.
But I’m not sure how that relates to the Curse of Cain.