Comments on: Status https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:58:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5764 Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:58:25 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5764 “No one is really foreced to socialise”

This is absolutely false.

Just *try* opting out as a family of all (non-Sunday) church activities, and you’ll see just how mandatory these socials really are.

Before you know it you’ll be love-bombed back into submission.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5757 Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:38:47 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5757 I’m sure you aren’t THAT obnoxious ltbugaf. Most people seem more so online than in real life.

No one is really coerced to socialise. It’s like ltbugaf said in all instances (wow I agree with you, ltbugaf!!).

You take the curmudgeons with the angels.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5753 Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:11:57 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5753 Rick, the “forced socialization” of the Church does force people to deal with the other members of their wards and stakes, since they can’t just escape willy-nilly to any ward they like. But this doesn’t mean they’re forced to be two-faced, apathetic, or resentful. The challenge of having to deal with the ones who are in one’s own ward can also lead one to develop meekness, patience, hope, forbearance, longsuffering, charity, love unfeigned, and a host of other virtues.

(For example, if I were in Kim and Mary’s ward, I’m sure they’d have to either become amazingly charitable people or just quit coming so they can avoid that one really obnoxious guy.)

If we could just avoid everyone we find unpleasant, it would be far more difficult to develop those Christ-like attributes that we need.

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5750 Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:29:30 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5750 The problem with the perceived class system in the church is that you are forced to be subjected to it based on required attendance at meeting halls.

In non-LDS life, if I don’t like the people being clique-ey at my local church, I change churches. If I don’t like my neighbours talking about how much better off the rich people are, I can choose to ignore them.

There is forced socialization in the LDS church and it aggravates any existing or perceived class struggles. Not to mention the fact that the church also enforces another heirarchy based on church standing and sex on people as well.

In my opinion, these types of behaviours require one to develop coping mechanisms such as two-face-edness, apathy and/or hidden resentments.

That’s just my opinion, though.
Your mileage may vary.

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By: Aimee Roo https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5654 Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:43:15 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5654 Mary, sorry to take so long to get back to this. I was born and raised here in Utah. I have lived here my whole life, other than a few months when I lived in Russia.

I just feel that class issues are a universal problem that are not anything to do with being LDS or not. I do think we have certain class systems within church culture, but again, that is anywhere the church is, not just one place.

However, I do believe that any city has it’s own personality and a system of class. I am not sure what the total implication of the question is… but here in Utah I think that it is based on money, if you are LDS or not, and if you are LDS what you are doing with your life at that time (ie, are you single, married, kids or not, etc). There are also some stereotypes dealing with dress and style, for example it’s really conservative here so even I get strange looks at times because I enjoy all kinds of fashion, not just what comes from the Gap.

So, I don’t know if I answered the question well or not, since I am not sure of the question. But I think there are class issues anywhere you go, and the best way to be happy is to just to be yourself and not worry about it.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5653 Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:28:30 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5653 Kris, do you have anything to say about the topic of the post?

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By: Kris https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5634 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:53:29 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5634 You have to be joking me. If people acted the way they do here at times in person to someone’s face they would be in serious jeopardy of getting punched in the eye. Strictly speaking you and Anne.

K.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5625 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:57:48 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5625 Makes what clear? That you enjoy departing from the topic of the thread? That you like to express feelings of persecution without adding any actual content?

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By: Kris https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5619 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:28:11 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5619 Posting that in this line of conversation too makes it clear don’t you think Itbugaf?

K.

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By: Kris https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/comment-page-1/#comment-5618 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:26:34 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/21/status/#comment-5618 Itbugaf, I notice that you are a guest here too and not a contributing owner of the blog. I suspect that if Kim thinks I am out of line or that my posts do not bring anything to the conversations at hand that he will email me privately and plitely ask me to leave or shut up or whatever. Until such time I politely decline. I appreciate this blog and the free speech that it allows to ANYONE posting here.

K.

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