Comments on: Government & Families https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:51:42 +0000 hourly 1 By: Kris https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5509 Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:51:42 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5509 I agree with Anne on this one.

K.

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By: annegb https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5482 Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:26:46 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5482 I support that kid who’s taking on the mayor. He’s got backbone.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5478 Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:05:37 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5478 Unless you’re one of the 7 million non-US residents who are members of the Church and cannot vote for the US congress.

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By: harold hadley https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5477 Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:48:09 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5477 s 2nd District, supports the City of Kanab's endorsement of the Natural Family: “We have been preached separation of church and state by secularists for so long that we begin to believe that our moral beliefs have no place in government. To the contrary, many of our laws are based on moral belief. Clearly Utah has a religious majority. Religion influences our moral beliefs as it should. Standing up for our moral beliefs is not forcing our religion on anyone. I admire the courage of the Kanab city council in endorsing the Natural Family. I hope they don't give in to fear as a few loud voices express their anger. We need civic leaders with the courage to stand up for morality and the family. The Kanab city council has my support.” The Natural Family resolution begins: “We envision a local culture that upholds the marriage of a woman to a man, and a man to a woman as ordained of God.” It ends with: “And we look to local government that holds the protection of the natural family to be their first responsibility.” The NF resolution brazenly states an elected official’s first responsibility is to people who believe in God, specifically a God who ordains heterosexual monogamy. Atheists, Buddhists, secular humanists and plain old Pagans are thus relegated to what? A government’s “second” responsibility? Third? Fourth? Supreme Court Associate Justice Sandra Day O'Connor created a simple criteria for situations like this: “A law is unconstitutional if it favors one religion over another in a way that makes some people feel like outsiders and others feel like insiders.” Amen, Sister O’Connor. Joe Tucker, however, supports the NF resolution because, “Standing up for our moral beliefs is not forcing our religion on anyone.” He further hopes Kanab’s city council won’t rescind the resolution and thereby give in to “fear.” Eh? The council members have passed a resolution which clearly makes God’s ordained spouses their first responsibility. With Heaven on their side what in Hell do they have to fear? Joe Tucker also states on his website that separation of church and state is NOT in the U.S. Constitution. This refers to the semantic debate over the “establishment” clause of the First Amendment which has been raging for decades. Mr. Tucker states, “We have been preached separation of church and state by secularists for so long that we begin to believe that our moral beliefs have no place in government.” Briefly, then, Mr. Tucker feels secularists hinder morality in government. His feelings are validated by the fact that one-hundred percent of the major political scandals in U.S. history have centered around people who belonged to one organized religion or another. Mr. Tucker also explains why a citizen’s right to brandish a lethal weapon IS embraced by the U.S. Constitution: “We have just seen in New Orleans how quickly civilization can deteriorate into lawlessness in a crisis. As a member of Congress I will fight to insure that the right of good citizens to bear arms is not infringed.” Which is why I say, vote JOE TUCKER for Congress. We’ll never get a Democrat elected in THIS district so our next best strategy is obvious: Elect a Republican who openly supports both the Natural Family concept as well as city-wide gunplay following a natural disaster.]]> Joe Tucker, U.S. Congressional candidate for Utah’s 2nd District, supports the City of Kanab’s endorsement of the Natural Family:

“We have been preached separation of church and state by secularists for so long that we begin to believe that our moral beliefs have no place in government. To the contrary, many of our laws are based on moral belief. Clearly Utah has a religious majority. Religion influences our moral beliefs as it should. Standing up for our moral beliefs is not forcing our religion on anyone. I admire the courage of the Kanab city council in endorsing the Natural Family. I hope they don’t give in to fear as a few loud voices express their anger. We need civic leaders with the courage to stand up for morality and the family. The Kanab city council has my support.”

The Natural Family resolution begins: “We envision a local culture that upholds the marriage of a woman to a man, and a man to a woman as ordained of God.” It ends with: “And we look to local government that holds the protection of the natural family to be their first responsibility.” The NF resolution brazenly states an elected official’s first responsibility is to people who believe in God, specifically a God who ordains heterosexual monogamy. Atheists, Buddhists, secular humanists and plain old Pagans are thus relegated to what? A government’s “second” responsibility? Third? Fourth?

Supreme Court Associate Justice Sandra Day O’Connor created a simple criteria for situations like this: “A law is unconstitutional if it favors one religion over another in a way that makes some people feel like outsiders and others feel like insiders.”

Amen, Sister O’Connor.

Joe Tucker, however, supports the NF resolution because, “Standing up for our moral beliefs is not forcing our religion on anyone.” He further hopes Kanab’s city council won’t rescind the resolution and thereby give in to “fear.” Eh? The council members have passed a resolution which clearly makes God’s ordained spouses their first responsibility. With Heaven on their side what in Hell do they have to fear?

Joe Tucker also states on his website that separation of church and state is NOT in the U.S. Constitution. This refers to the semantic debate over the “establishment” clause of the First Amendment which has been raging for decades. Mr. Tucker states, “We have been preached separation of church and state by secularists for so long that we begin to believe that our moral beliefs have no place in government.” Briefly, then, Mr. Tucker feels secularists hinder morality in government. His feelings are validated by the fact that one-hundred percent of the major political scandals in U.S. history have centered around people who belonged to one organized religion or another.

Mr. Tucker also explains why a citizen’s right to brandish a lethal weapon IS embraced by the U.S. Constitution: “We have just seen in New Orleans how quickly civilization can deteriorate into lawlessness in a crisis. As a member of Congress I will fight to insure that the right of good citizens to bear arms is not infringed.”

Which is why I say, vote JOE TUCKER for Congress. We’ll never get a Democrat elected in THIS district so our next best strategy is obvious: Elect a Republican who openly supports both the Natural Family concept as well as city-wide gunplay following a natural disaster.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5460 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:19:08 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5460 i did.

but you are nitpicking words just like kim does, and that always irritates me.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5459 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:58:44 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5459 Mary, please see my last paragraph above.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5455 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:42:02 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5455 ltbugaf

But I have to wonder how single mothes who have no choice but to go out to work to support their families, feel? or homosexuals who already feel outcasts from society feel?

i support the family, i support the CHOICE women have to stay home if they so desire. but I do not for one minute think that a municapal government has a right to set moral standards. it may not be exactly mandating, but it seems like they are saying “we support this idea, and none other”. municipal government is not a moral government and doesn’t have a rewsponisbility to place moral standards like this. their responsibility lies in making the town/city a safe, liveable place for all local citizens. not for deciding what type of lifestyle such citizens should have.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5453 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:37:15 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5453 No, it doesn’t look like they have. Are you seriously asking me to believe that every resolution is a mandate? Even the wording in the pink box makes it clear this isn’t so: “expressing support for” and “goes on to encourage.” Expressing support and encouraging aren’t the same as mandating. If they had wanted to pass a mandate, they would have done so. They would have passed an ordinance that actually requires people to do something and attaches penalties for not doing so. That’s a mandate. Here, they’ve only voiced their moral support and encouragement.

I’m not saying they were right to do what they did. I’m saying that what they did isn’t a mandate.

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By: Kris https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5449 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:15:52 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5449 Amen Kim.

K.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/comment-page-1/#comment-5444 Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:57:32 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/03/17/government-families/#comment-5444 Ummm…looks like they have, since they have passed a resolution. At least as close to it as they can.

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