Comments on: Water to wine https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:25:56 +0000 hourly 1 By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4709 Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:25:56 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4709 Kim, you just illustrated my point. The mission presidents in those two missions used their own judgment–that’s why they differed. And since the 7-day or 14-day policy was set in place based on the discretion of the individual mission president, it can be changed or done away by him. Likewise for bishops. So as I said before, the bishop, mission president, or whoever has keys to approve a baptism, can approve it, based on his own judgment and the guidance of the Spirit, immediately.

]]> By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4708 Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:23:03 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4708 Yes there is. I am unsure if it decided at the mission level or not, but every mission I have been in (live or served) has/had a requirement that one must be living the Word of Wisdom for a specified period of time.

In the Utah Provo Mission, it was 7 days. In the Canada Calgary Mission, it is 14 days.

]]> By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4706 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:21:43 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4706 There’s no requirement that a person must have lived the prohibitions of the Word of Wisdom for any specific duration of time before being baptized. Stopped smoking 15 minutes ago? The bishop (or mission president, etc.) can approve your baptism.

]]> By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4703 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:25:55 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4703 I think some of the dishes served at Church social functions should be added to the WoW….

]]> By: Steve EM https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4701 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:58:23 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4701 Come-on guys, you know I meant what Jeff brings up. We require new converts to live the WofW as a condition of baptism (entry into the Kingdom). While, I think we should warn them they will be strongly encouraged to live it all their days in the church, I also think only unrepented drunkenness should be the only WofW related issue that precludes someone from baptism or temple attendance.

]]> By: Jeff Milner https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4699 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:25:53 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4699 My grandma never got baptised because she drank coffee.

That rule kept her out.

]]> By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4697 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:51:24 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4697 lt, I would pay to see you do the synagogue thing. I laughed out loud quite loudly when I read it.

While the WoW is enforced during temple recommend interviews, it is effectively keeping people from being as active a member as they could be … not that I’m against that.

]]> By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4696 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:44:59 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4696 Perhaps I can bring a ham-and-cheese sandwich to worship service at the local synagogue. :)

I think they’d ask me to leave it outside, but not ask me not to come. That’s the difference Polly is talking about. Keeping coffee out of the meetinghouse is different from keeping a coffee drinker out of the Church.

]]> By: Polly https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4695 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:19:48 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4695 Rick, then perhaps you would feel more comfortable at my local mega-church, which has a Starbucks in the building.

Are you honestly suggesting that the Bishop asking you to not bring your Starbucks into sacrament was exclusionary to *you*? It sounds like he was most welcoming to you, just wanted you to leave your beverage out, ie. excluding your beverage. Are you suggesting that’s unreasonable?

If so, it’s only logical that people also be allowed to bring their favorite mixed cocktail, or hard liquor to sacrament or Priesthood/RS meeting? I doubt you would find any church/denomination that would allow that.

]]> By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/comment-page-1/#comment-4694 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:56:42 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/02/27/water-to-wine/#comment-4694 “keeping such people out of the church” doesn’t sound like EXing it sounds like exclusion, which was precisely my tongue-in-cheek point.

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