Comments on: Activity and Membership

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:02:06 +0000

I’d like to give a big AMEN to concierge’s comments.

By: mtnnomad

mtnnomad — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 04:08:20 +0000

Well, you clarified your statement for me, by stating that your focus “was on the believing part, not the active part”, which I didn’t catch when I read your original post. My bad, no one else’s. Although my misunderstanding did spur some discussion and I’m into that. It is just interesting that “being active” has a specific quantifiable definition for use in church record-keeping, but is also used in the same arena (church) in other subjective ways.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:28:48 +0000

I’m not sure it’s a clarification at all. In fact, I think it just muddies the waters. I was just finding it ironic that some of those who criticize or stereotype others for being “orthodox” may be enforcing their own kind of orthodoxy in answering a question like this.

By: mtnnomad

mtnnomad — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 03:14:46 +0000

Thanks for the clarification, ltbugaf.

I would also recommend reading Wilfried's post on coffee...just read it earlier today and it made my Sunday.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:22:06 +0000

Here’s an interesting way to look at the question: Should pure orthodoxy be enforced in the use of these words, or should there be freedom to use them in different ways?

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:18:59 +0000

Duncan, I think it is problematic to go much further than the official defintions. Individual circumstances are too complex to make things black and white. Wilfried's post on coffee illustrates this perfectly.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:13:53 +0000

The line that sparked the lengthy discussion under the Garments thread was “active and believing.” My focus was on the “believing” part, not the “active” part.

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:31:14 +0000

concierge

good points. i feel actually that activity or lack thereof has a lot to do with state of mind more than anything.

By: concierge

concierge — Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:27:25 +0000

Once we start making distinctions, fractions of orthodoxy, fundamentlaism, evangelicalism, and other ism’s creep in. I am very bothered by Mormons that say they are “so much more” by attaching one of the above labels to their status. It’s a sad way to elevate their inflated egos.

If we are to go by attending and activity, problems arise with how we categorize various populations – the infirmed, those that are incapacitated or caring for a loved one that needs 24/7 attention, those in foreign countries without members, the elderly, the abusive or controlling spouse or family and so on. Who’s to blame for those that aren’t doing their home teaching, VT, and other general family callings to tease out a way to reactivate an inactive?

One can also be “active” and yet not be spiritually active.

I think the best way to elevate one’s standing is not necessarily in attendance as it is in the ability to maginfy a calling. The the busy mom that cannot attend temple as often as she would like, can still do genealogy or extractions to support temple work. The mom on bedrest may be able to become a VT supervisor, and so on. Our leaders need to be truly prayerful (and ask for creativity) to consider all people for all callings – not just those that are convenient.

One can live a Christ like life without the blessings of weekly attendance. I wish I could reap EVERY blessing available – some I feel I may not even be aware of yet. In lieu, anyone can find and magnify a calling in His name – and IMO, more of us should find callings outside of the church to magnify and serve our communities as He would like us to do.

Finally, I acutally take great comfort in the inactives that are still on membership roles. I believe for the most part, they are aware of the big prophesies and will come running to repentance and thier duty for spiritual work to be done once they see “end times” coming to fruition. I also have come to know that the most blasphemous, are often the most spiritually in tune when they come back around.

For the everyday trials and general unpreparedness that may come with choosing to be inactive however, is their choice – and therefore, the trials might be magnified in their suffering here, and beyond.

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:46:01 +0000

Actually I need to expand on this. I think true activity is being involved and serving in the Church (where asked to and when avaialable) and attending most meetings when possible. Being REALLY active takes a lot of time, lol.