Comments on: Get Out and Vote https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:30:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-4012 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:30:41 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-4012 Dean: By “A law making hate crimes against gays” I assume you mean a law giving special status to certain crimes if they are committed against gays as opposed to when they are committed against others.

Is the crime more heinous because the victim was gay? Are the gay victim’s life, or comfort, or rights, inherently worthier of protection than someone else’s?

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3998 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:03:55 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3998 I was thinking again about Michael Moore’s comments this morning. The fellow doth protest too much, I think. He says, in essence, “Hey, Canada, I’m not going to tell you how to vote. And by the way, here’s how you should vote.”

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3851 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:18:40 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3851 Dean: The Dixie Chicks weren’t BANNED. They were BOYCOTTED. The first would be a government action, and the second is a voluntary choice by free citizens about what they listen to.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3674 Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:49:59 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3674 Actually, ltbugaf, I think what the critics were really trying to say is that in both instances, GWB got in.

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By: Jeff Milner https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3671 Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:23:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3671 I was thinking the exact same thing.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3667 Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:58:27 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3667 After the 2000 elections, a lot of critics were whining that a majority hadn’t elected the President. Since the 2004 elections, most of the same people have been whining that a majority DID.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3609 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:14:47 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3609 Ouch!

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By: Jeff Milner https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3608 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:12:07 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3608 t believe in encouraging them to come out and undermine what I’m trying to do for my society" That's a very good point. At the surface that would appear to be the wise choice. And in fact I don't know that it isn't, but for whatever reason I believe that groups will make the right choice more often and based on the fact that my opinion or whatever it is I'm trying to do for my society might be wrong, I'd want everyone to come out and vote as they believe. I believe in the separation of religion and state and feel that the desires of the majority are more important than having my own personal beliefs represented in government - as nice is that would be. It's more important to represent a majority than to represent what I or any individual thinks is right. Maybe I'd change my mind if I was in a situation where the majority voted for a war-mongering religious fanatic but since I don't live in the US I'm not in that situation.]]> “I also don’t believe in encouraging them to come out and undermine what I’m trying to do for my society”

That’s a very good point.

At the surface that would appear to be the wise choice. And in fact I don’t know that it isn’t, but for whatever reason I believe that groups will make the right choice more often and based on the fact that my opinion or whatever it is I’m trying to do for my society might be wrong, I’d want everyone to come out and vote as they believe.

I believe in the separation of religion and state and feel that the desires of the majority are more important than having my own personal beliefs represented in government – as nice is that would be.

It’s more important to represent a majority than to represent what I or any individual thinks is right.

Maybe I’d change my mind if I was in a situation where the majority voted for a war-mongering religious fanatic but since I don’t live in the US I’m not in that situation.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3602 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:55:15 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3602 “Well if you believe in democracy then you would want everyone to vote no matter what their opinion…”

Jeff, I believe in democracy as a means to certain desirable ends, not as an end in itself. I support democratic government (in the attenuated form of a Republic) because I think it has a general tendency to help bring about ends that will benefit more people more of the time. But like you (I think), I don’t believe is its own justification. If democratic government is bringing about awful things and some other form can bring about better things, then I say institute another form.

I don’t believe in unlawfully repressing the votes of people who disagree with me, but I also don’t believe in encouraging them to come out and undermine what I’m trying to do for my society.

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By: Jeff Milner https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-3600 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:49:22 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/2006/01/23/get-out-and-vote/#comment-3600 Well if you believe in democracy then you would want everyone to vote no matter what their opinion, even if it meant a potential outcome with which you disagree.

I believe in representative government and if someone doesn’t vote, he or she is not expressing which candidates and their platforms that he or she supports.

To counter your obviously very extreme example, if the majority of people thought that child rape was a good thing and “legalized it”, then I suppose as a supporter of a democratic society I would be obliged to honour the law of the land and not invoke some kind of vigilante justice.

Though I’m not living in the United States, I understand they have passed some pretty far reaching privacy violating laws in the Patriot Act designed to protect their citizens from terrorists.

I don’t think the majority of people want those laws and if a referendum were issued I would be a lot more interested in supporting that law if I knew that is what the majority wanted.

One last point, the majority doesn’t always make the best decision. We often associate negative connotations with dictatorships, but with a righteous leader, I believe a dictatorship or a theocracy could be a very successful government.

I just prefer the idea of a democracy because it seems (in my mind anyway) easier to remove corrupt leaders in the event that corruption occurs. I trust in the people around me that while we all might make mistakes as a group, we can also fix them as a group too.

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