Comments on: True

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:00:03 +0000

I can’t think of a form of verification that is invulnerable to falsification. For example, people can be deceived by optical illusions. Their memories of what they have seen can be faulty. Similarly, people are often fooled into believing that the strong emotions they may feel during a tent meeting are manifestations of the Holy Ghost.

By: rick

rick — Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:32:32 +0000

Unless we are mentally ill and prone to hallucinate, right?

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:54:20 +0000

Benjamin obviously wasn’t saying that seeing was the ONLY way to know something was true. But witnessing a thing with our eyes is one of the ways we can verify it.

By: Val

Val — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:40:45 +0000

I think when they say the Church is true they’re talking about the Church as we know it today in shapes and forms… meaning led by a Prophet and such.

From a terrestrial point of view this organization brings us rewards like no other religion could… and for that reason we gain faith in things we do not see… it’s a vicious cycle tho… and i contradict myself because you do first belief in the book of mormon, get the rewards, believe in the church and then it goes backwards…

a very problematic issue indeed.

By: rick

rick — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:58:06 +0000

Strangely enough, members also say, “I know the church is true”.

Now unless they’re actually talking about the physical building, this statement makes no sense in the light of the King Benjamin remarks.

Then again there’s a huge distinction between the true=correct, true=pure, and true=called from a higher source, definitions of the word ‘true’.

That’s probably another problematic issue related to this topic.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:20:40 +0000

But people don’t say, “I know the golden plates are true”. They say, “I know the Book of Mormon is true”. And they see the Book of Mormon.

By: Eric

Eric — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:18:59 +0000

Perhaps part of what Benjamin was saying is that they didn’t really need faith to know that the records were true – they could see them. We need faith to believe that there really were plates and that Joseph translated tham.

By: Last Lemming

Last Lemming — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:12:38 +0000

I can say my tie is true because I see it.

So that’s why missionaries can’t wear bow ties! They can’t see them (at least not their own), so they can’t be sure they are “true.”