Comments on: Gay Sin

By: Mary Siever

Mary Siever — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:47:33 +0000

"If you can sense a person is gay and they are living a rightoues life, does the fact the are gay make them a sinner?"

No, I would say it certainly does not. We are judged on our thoughts and actions. Well, the Lord is the only one who knows are thoughts and even then we have more leeway as He so strongly believes in choice.

By: Bill

Bill — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:51:48 +0000

I found Dean’s responses quite interesting. When I married my wife, I was assigned to be a HT companion and he was really a nice guy, married and had children. I remember telling my wife that I felt like he was gay. Turns out he was.

A family moved into our Ward and I told my wife, I think the husband is gay, he acts gay. After several years the couple split because he was gay.

If you can sense a person is gay and they are living a rightoues life, does the fact the are gay make them a sinner?

In Deans writings, he talks about he was exed and he attends a different church knowing he can never come back to his religion.

If one of your children is gay, would you support exing him for being gay? Would you support the exing knowing they can never be a member of the Lord’s Church?

By: Ray

Ray — Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:15:52 +0000

I have read many of the posts in this section and feel I have to interject my opinion and feelings.
I was molested when I was 8 and again when I was 9. This was done by my brother. He is now an Athiest.(or thinks he is) Through the years I have had many personal battles on the subjects of morality and homosexuality. I am now learning that the gospel, and this life in general is about controling our thoughts. When I was younger I would live my entire life in my Subconscious mind. Letting my life follow the path of least resistance. This was my way of dealing with, or not dealing with what I had been through. When things got tough I would revert back to what felt comfortable, namely immorality. I would spend many many hours inslaved to pornography. Then as a natural result my mind would go to other sins and problems. I hurt many people when I was involved in this way of life. There were many times when thoughts of homosexuality would enter my mind. sometimes I would ponder them and wonder. I would even go to chat rooms and watch men.
I got my life to a point that I had to change. I became reactive in the church and found things got easier but did not go away. Through the counsel of a wonderfull inspired bishop I have finally gotten to the point that these thoughts no longer haunt me. I still have the temptation, but I am learning to program my mind to change the subject to the Savior anytime these thought arise.
For the last 6 years I have had a neighbor that I have a great deal of respect for. He was my elder’s Quorum President, and most recently the High Priest Group Leader. he is a very spiritual man. a month ago he and his wife seperated and are getting a divorce. She has taken a same sex room mate, and is in a sexual relationship with her. The children are young, and are the biggest victims. This has happened once before to her and it destroyed another family in our ward a few years ago.
This is not a victimless sin. I don’t know all the details about it but I do believe that some people are born with those (homosexual) tendancies. Just as I have my own sins to overcome. The Adversary knows what my weeknesses are and will exploit them all he can to destroy me. But the only way to overcome my sins, and for anyone to overcome the weeknesses is to bring them before the Lord. Remember Ether 12:27-28. I have a strong testimony of this. I have seen it work in my life.

By: MahNahvu

MahNahvu — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:00:00 +0000

Those following this thread might be interested in a new web site about homosexuality from the perspective of Latter-day Saints. The material is organized around the 1995 Ensign article by Elder Dallin Oaks on Same Gender Attraction.

http://www.ldsresources.info/index.html

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:48:21 +0000

I do believe that once a person has obtained a testimony of the Church, or of the Prophet, it’s not always necessary to seek and obtain a new personal testimony of everything that comes from the Church or the Prophet.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:21:58 +0000

Rick, I can’t agree that President Hinckley’s words did anything to contribute to Mark Hoffman’s murders. I also think you should have another look at President Hinckley’s words, where he explicitly stated that there was no way for the Church to be sure whether the documents were genuine or not.

I also don’t advocate a blind obedience that never seeks to understand or to gain a personal testimony of what the Prophet says. I only suggest that we have no foundation for requiring him to provide scriptural support for every new thing he says, before we will accept or follow it.

By: rick

rick — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:01:55 +0000

“I suggest that when the Prophet speaks in his leadership role, his words are likely to be inspired in varying degrees and that we are ALWAYS better off following him.”

Which is precisely why people like Mark Hoffman can get away with the things he did.

Blind obedience lead to problems.
Assuming that one is ALWAYS better off when listening to a prophet is blind obedience.

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 02:54:36 +0000

I really don’t know. There’s been an awfully long list of comments.

However, some have suggested that anything the Prophet says without specific scriptural support is just his own opinion. Personal opinions are not the kind of thing people generally feel bound to obey.

I suggest that when the Prophet speaks in his leadership role, his words are likely to be inspired in varying degrees and that we are ALWAYS better off following him.

Dean and others are suggesting that the Prophet is just flat wrong on this point. They seem to be hoping President Hinckley will someday see the light that they already see. I believe a better approach is for them to follow the one who has the keys, and believe what he’s telling them.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 02:39:31 +0000

Did someone say he does?

By: ltbugaf

ltbugaf — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 02:31:05 +0000

More on point, I’m suggesting that President Hinckley doesn’t need a specifically topical scriptural passage to support the teaching that homosexual conduct is sinful.