Comments on: Branches & Roots https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:08:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: BN https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-12148 Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:08:46 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-12148 I believe you have missed the point. It is the loftiness of the vineyard. The Lord has chosen the house of Israel to be the trees. He has chosen Israel to serve, to bring forth good fruit. But Israel keeps thinking that it is chosen to rule (which lofty thinking tends to corrupt) ” ..taking strength unto themselves. Behold, I say, is not this the cause that the trees of thy vineyard have become corrupt?” There’s competition going on, right now, today, between the Jews, Arabs, and Christians (the Christians being adopted into the house of Israel and therefore siding with the Jews) to be children of Abraham, God’s People, special, above all the other Families of the World and therefore priviledged, lofty, and corrupting. If they would only serve each other by building schools, hospitals, and homes, instead of fighting to dominate, control, and rule. Then, I think, will the world be more peaceful! Then, will the branches not overtake the roots, which are good.

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By: Gilgamesh https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2944 Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:35:51 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2944 t grapes grow in vineyards and olives in orchards? What’s with that?" If you read the text, there is nothing that notes that they were not in a vineyard that happend to have a favored and majestic olive tree. Later in the chapeter, good branches are taken to various places in the vineyard to try and get new growth, but that, again, does not mean that they are in an olive orchard. They could be in a grape vineyard with multiple olive trees. How's that for literalism!!]]> “Off topic slightly, but don’t grapes grow in vineyards and olives in orchards? What’s with that?”

If you read the text, there is nothing that notes that they were not in a vineyard that happend to have a favored and majestic olive tree. Later in the chapeter, good branches are taken to various places in the vineyard to try and get new growth, but that, again, does not mean that they are in an olive orchard. They could be in a grape vineyard with multiple olive trees.

How’s that for literalism!!

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2941 Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:33:59 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2941 See this, this, this, and this.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2940 Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:07:15 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2940 oops, i am wrong. he IS doing the challenge, just not the way the average membership thinks the challenge should be done (which is to finish the Book of Mormon by the 31st). He is reading and studying the Book of Mormon (as he always does) but isn’t trying to finish it, by the end of the week.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2939 Mon, 26 Dec 2005 02:22:54 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2939 No, he just isn’t doing the challenge, because of how he studies. He is reading the book of Mormon.

I am doing the challenge however. Just about done!

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2938 Sat, 24 Dec 2005 04:44:16 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2938 No kidding? Kim has taken a stand AGAINST reading from the Book of Mormon by the end of the year? I’ll wait to hear it from him, along with an explanation, before I ask why.

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2473 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2473 Do we expect too much of our new converts? Do they expect too much of themselves?

Another interesting question is ‘Do they expect to much of members?’

Specifically in areas where the baptism rates are high (read Mexico, South America, etc.), the membership has problems facing all the needs of the new converts. Sometimes things as simple as a clean shirt on Sunday are taxing on the membership.

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By: Jeff Milner https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2474 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2474 Off topic slightly, but don’t grapes grow in vineyards and olives in orchards? What’s with that?

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By: john scherer https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2475 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2475 Great Post!

I always use this scripture to represent the spreading of the gospel to the gentiles after Christ’s resurrection. Due to persecutions and murders the roots(apostles and prophets) were not strong enough to endure the wild fruit(gentile converts), who took root unto themselves (changed the doctrine to allow for their previously held undertstandings). Thus making this fruit corrupt.

I appreciate your insight Kim, as I have never thought of myself, or other modern converts in this scripture. It seems President Hinckley’s counsel that every convert needs a friend, an opportunity to serve and nurturing through the word of god is indeed inspired. From what I’ve seen it’s the only root system that we can have which will allow us to produce good fruit.

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By: NFlanders https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/21/branches-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-2476 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=329#comment-2476 What happened to your stand against finishing the BoM before the end of the year?

Gave in to peer pressure, Kim?

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