Comments on: Converts vs. Constancy https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:23:44 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-8147 Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:23:44 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-8147 Hmmm, ok, someone needs to learn some manners. I can’t speak for everyone, but I for one am not a goober.

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By: The Mike Man https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-8145 Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:29:56 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-8145 Oh boy! You’re all gonna love this! If I was the president of the Mormon Church, the first thing that I would do would be the ditch the name “church”. Now don’t you goobers think that the term “church” is just a wee bit archaic? Well, then so are your beliefs as well, “brethren”. As your president, I would also abolish the white-shirt-and-tie missionary uniform. All my “brothers and sisters” will carry on the “Lord’s work” in the nude! That’s right! I want you all to get naked, baby! Perhaps this will help to shatter your sexual prudishness, and overcome your issues. Sometimes we don’t want to have babies—sometimes we just want to ****! Oh, and one more thing—lets rearrange the letters LDS, and make it LSD! The Church of Jesus Christ of LSD. I will make all of you take LSD for your sacrament. You really do need it. It will surely help to expand your spiritual horizons to see God for what it really is!

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By: Sally https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-2501 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-2501 I say B. What’s the point of having all these converts if the majority of them are gone before their 1st anniversary. Our ward right now has a high baptism rate or rather did last few years and yet 51 % of our membership are either completely or semi-inactive. What was the point?

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-2502 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-2502 The church has already decided on A.

Now, you’ve got to ask yourself how sure are you that the preceding Presidents got it right? Constancy, if incorrect could be very bad.

Take a look at the blacks and women’s movements for ideas which required change. What if the church had been inflexible then?

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-2503 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-2503 Mum,

So you’d rather have growth only through child baptisms? Especially with family sizes dropping and child of record retention also becoming a serious issue?

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By: Sally https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-2504 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-2504 no I don’t have a problem with adult baptisms!! Not at all.. part of constant that you mentioned was not concentrating on conversions so heavily but rather that we work on keeping the ones that do get baptized. At least that was how I read it. Of course it’s great that the First Presidency changes with the times as long as it is through God and not through dictates of society.

And there won’t be “less” people getting saving ordinances as they will recieve them in the next life if they don’t here. I mean if God knew that blacks or rather African Americans would eventually get the Priesthood why not tell the Prophet at the time to do so right then and there?

If He knew the world would frown on polygamy then why say it was authorized? These instances are just 2 that show the world that we can’t make up our minds. And I do follow and honour the Prophets but even in my short 27 years as a member, Prophets have changes “doctrines” now whether that was through inspiration from Heavenly Father or from peer pressure of society I don’t know.

I just know I hate changes. Onw od my Primary teachers has been a member for 18 months, her sister 8 months and to this day they still have not gotten new member discussions. Missionaries are too busy going out getting new blood that the ones that are getting baptized are falling through the cracks. It used to be the missionaries did the new member discussions now they are supposed to rely on the ward mission leader and the ward missionaries to do so. And of course with neither of these 2 girls having gotten them it goes without saying how successful that program is doing.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-2505 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-2505 “part of constant that you mentioned was not concentrating on conversions so heavily but rather that we work on keeping the ones that do get baptized.”

And that is important. That being said, we may no longer be getting nearly 350,000 converts into the church each year, but we are still getting over 200,000. So conversions are still important and make up over 70% of church growth.

“I mean if God knew that blacks or rather African Americans would eventually get the Priesthood why not tell the Prophet at the time to do so right then and there?”

He did. That’s why Joseph Smith ordained blacks. It was Brigham Young that stopped the practice.

And for the record, the stake missionaries did new member discusions on my mission as well. Actually, if I rememebr correctly, they have been doing so ever since seventies were replaced by stake missionaries.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-2506 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-2506 C: Seek the will of the Lord and follow it.

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By: Sally https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-2507 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-2507 well obviously in our ward someone forgot to tell them that

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/12/20/converts-vs-constancy/comment-page-1/#comment-2508 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=331#comment-2508 ltbugaf, you mean like the brother of Jared followed the will of the Lord?

Anyhow, there was only option A & B.

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