Comments on: Mammon https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:47:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/comment-page-1/#comment-43019 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:47:23 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=328#comment-43019 “You either love God and hate money, or love money and hate God”

I’m assuming you love God, Dan. Email me and I’ll tell you where to forward all of your hated money.

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By: Rev. Daniel deHoleweia https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/comment-page-1/#comment-42919 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:34:51 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=328#comment-42919 Reminds me of the whole ‘It’s easier to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven’

You cannot serve both God and Money. Such puts the majority in a precarious situation, but do ye serve Mammon freely, or are ye simply a slave unto its yoke? This is the problem with any capitalistic approach, for such is the way of Mammon, yes, capitalists are evil, but what’s new?

You either love God and hate money, or love money and hate God, simple really. Although having a seeming need for money (which we all do) and living for the sole purpose of attaining material wealth… – there is a very big difference between the two.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/comment-page-1/#comment-2466 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=328#comment-2466 The first question–is this true? Are you looking for comments on whether Christ was wrong when he said this?

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/comment-page-1/#comment-2467 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=328#comment-2467 I have no idea what Christ said. I just have what is available to me in the Bible. It may be the same thing. I can’t say for sure.

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/comment-page-1/#comment-2468 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=328#comment-2468 Do you really think that given the context of Matt 6:24 that Jesus was speaking about two human masters?

It’s pretty clear from the surrounding verses that he’s specifically talking about worldly possesions in regard to the other master.

In Matt 6 Jesus is basically saying, don’t sweat the little worldly things, concentrate on finding God and it’ll all work out. Just chill out and believe.

I think he’s basically saying you can’t prioritize wealth and God on the same level, if you really are serving God the money doesn’t matter, and if you put money before God, you’re not going to be showing your love for God.

If someone wants to genrealize these statements and apply them to all sin, that puts a whole new slant on things and raises several questions about priorities and the definition of serving God.

I’ll ask my rabbi and get back to you.

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By: john scherer https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/comment-page-1/#comment-2469 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=328#comment-2469 I don’t understand, I think that we are all ‘righteous and sinful’ at the same time. It’s an effect of the fallen world in which we live in. We strive to serve our master, but we never quite get there. King Benjamin taught
“I say unto you that if ye should serve• him who has created you from the beginning, and is preserving• you from day to day, by lending you breath•, that ye may live and move and do according to your own will, and even supporting you from one moment to another—I say, if ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable• servants.”

I don’t know if the reading you present is common or not, but it’s clear to me that because of our sins, we never fully serve our master here. It would be arrogant and ignorant of the atonement if we though otherwise. Therefore, I’ll try to press forward through my sinfulness and serve the true master the best I can. I hope this makes sense.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/comment-page-1/#comment-2470 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=328#comment-2470 John,

The issue I presented isn’t whether we can ever serve God; it’s whether there is ever a situation where we can serve two so-called masters.

Well, I also presented on whether keeping the commandments is what defines “service”.

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By: john scherer https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/11/03/mammon/comment-page-1/#comment-2472 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=328#comment-2472 Kim,

My point is that in mortality, we seem to serve Satan at some level always. Therefore, if we are to serve God’s purposes, we’d have to serve two masters. For instance, I love doing service in the church and out. I feel that this is serving the lord. Yet no matter how hard I try, a little part of me swells with ego and self congratulation, thus serving Satan (or hindering my progression, same thing). I try to conrol that side effect of serving, but I suspect it will be there as long as I walk this earth. The bread example you gave is another good instance where one would have to serve the lesser of two evils.

As far as the other question, I have always viewed keeping the commandments as service to god. But this I realize is very self centered, as commandments are given for our benefit and progression.

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