Comments on: Sell me on this LDS concept https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 30 Nov -001 00:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1690 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1690 Well, in actuality, you won’t be spending forever with your WHOLE family. Basically with your spouse. You will be able to see your children and other family members. I think though, that by then all of our imperfections and problems we have with any family will be eradicated becuae we will develop Christlike love. :)

Personally I would love to increase my relationship with most of my family on both sides and I can’t imagine not being with Kim forever.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1691 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1691 I’m sort of with Mary on this one, Rick.

We are continually told that we’ll be with our families forever, but doesn’t that ultimately mean we’ll all be together (I mean, of those who make it).

For example, in the “Families are Forever” scenario, I would be together forever with my wife and children. The same could be said for my parents: they will be with each other and their children. This means, of course, that not only will I be with my wife and my children, but also my parents, my siblings, my brothers/sisters-in-law, and my nephews and nieces. The same could be said of my parents’ parents: they will be with each other and heir children. This means of course that not only will I be with my wife, children, parents, siblings, siblings-in-law, nephews and nieces, I will also be with my grandparents, my uncles, my aunts, my cousins, my children’s second cousins, and so forth.

This pattern, presumably, could be followed right back to Adam and then back down every branch of Adam’s family tree.

So, I am not sure the phrase “Families can Be Together forever” really has much meaning.

Personally, I think spouses will be together. I am doubtful of the existence of any other family relationship existing in the afterlife.

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1692 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1692 So is this a case of deliberate mis-labeling?

I mean, when I think of my ‘family’ I certainly don’t restrict the meaning of the word to ‘only my wife’.

This seems to me, as a never-mormon, a bit misleading.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1693 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1693 The prize of being united forever with families belongs to those who have, through the grace of Christ, developed true Charity. Those who possess this charity won’t be bothered by their petty resentments of in-laws, because they won’t have them.

I don’t understand on what basis other posters are speculating that they will be “with” only a portion of their family and not with others. Where does this idea come from? The contrary seems more consistent with doctrine–the sealing power was given so that all the generations could be joined together in a continuous chain, back through our Father Adam, and on through to our Father in Heaven through Christ. Without this chain we cannot be brought back into the family of God. So what makes it seem that we will be compartmented into small, discrete family units that don’t interact with one another?

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1694 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1694 It’s also good to know that those who really don’t want to choose a life of being forever united with their families will certainly get their wish. Reject such a life, and you won’t have it.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1695 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1695 “I don’t understand on what basis other posters are speculating that they will be “with” only a portion of their family and not with others.”

As I stated above, ltbugaf, anything else isn’t really “being together with our family” any more than it is being together wit everyone in the celestial kingdom.

“This seems to me, as a never-mormon, a bit misleading.”

It’s not just the never-Mormons who find it misleading, Rick.

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By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1696 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1696 “…by their petty resentments of in-laws…” -emphasis mine

This makes it sound like it’s my problem… I’m pretty sure that given a perfection of self, they’ll come around to my way of thinking…

“Reject such a life, and you won’t have it.”

This is not really sounding like such a bad option, given the fact that I don’t really think I’d like it, if it matches the descriptions I’ve heard thus far.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1697 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1697 I don’t think that “being together with everyone else in the Celestial Kingdom” and being “together with our families” are mutually exclusive. On earth, right now, I have a familial relationship with my uncles, aunts, second cousins, and so forth. I also have a familial relationship with my wife, and my children. Obviously some of these are what we would think of as “closer” relationships than others. I don’t believe that sealed relationships in the Celestial Kingdom eradicate those differences. Being eternally bound to my mother as her son is obviously different from being eternally bound to my wife as her husband, which is in turn different from being eternally bound to my sister as her brother. If I get to be my mother’s son forever, and I get to be my wife’s husband forever, and I get to be my sister’s brother forever, I don’t see how these relationships dilute each other, or what leads to the belief that relationships such as those between siblings, cousins, aunts, and so forth should not exist in a large, extended, and sealed family.

(I’m also concerned about the tone I have been taking in some comments I have made on other “thoughts.” I pledge to be more constructive and less concerned with arguing for argument’s sake. With that in mind, I hope you’ll understand that my remarks here are not meant to be cutting.)

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1698 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1698 ltbugaf, the idea that a family relationship exists in the hereafter is not the point we are arguing against. Or at least not what I am arguing against. What I am arguing against is the idea that, as the song title goes, families can be together forever.

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By: ltbugaf https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/10/25/sell-me-on-this-lds-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-1699 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=278#comment-1699 Well, I, for one, have only the vaguest idea of the actual physical arrangements of life in the Celestial Kingdom. I don’t know whether being “together” will have the same meaning as it has here. If by “together” you mean living on the same block and seeing each other all the time, I would have to guess that these concepts won’t have much meaning. Distance doesn’t matter much to God. Neither does time. Since He knows and sees all, it’s hard to imagine why having one of His relatives nearer or farther would matter, or even how He could “see” or “not see” a particular person at a given moment, since as far as I understand, He sees everything all the time. Since Eternal Life is the same as His life, I presume that those who inherit Eternal Life and are sealed forever to their families will also see and know all, as He does. And therefore I don’t know how they would not be “together” with relatives other than spouses.

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