Comments on: Minimalistic https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 30 Nov -001 00:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: rick https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1482 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1482 Kim, seriously when are you going to get it through your head that it doesn’t matter what the prophet says

…it’s what the members hear.

How many other times have you gotten into a discussion (on let’s say the consumption of Coke for instance) where what the prophets have said and what the members do, are two completely different things.

The problem here is that you have listened to what the prophet said, but most people are just running with the pack and going along with an assumption some – probably the majority of – people have made.

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By: NFlanders https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1483 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1483 Actually, Kim, I was following that thread and was wondering what your response would be. The letter from the First Presidency seemed pretty unambiguous to me. You’re still not convinced?

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1484 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1484 The letter stated that the August Ensign stated that we were challenged to read the Book of Mormon by the end of the year. I still do not see where in the first presidency message in August where it states that President Hinckley is challenging us to read by the end of the year. The closest I saw was right after the challenge where he said if we read 1.5 chapters per day, we could finish it by the end of the year.

But, all President Hinckley says is from God (D&C 1:38), and is scripture (D7C 68:4). Since the first presidency interprets scripture for us, perhaps I’ll just go along for the ride.

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By: NFlanders https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1485 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1485 While I agree that the Ensign message does not explicitly challenge us to finish it by the end of the year, the letter from the First Presidency says that it does.

To me, that means there are two possibilities: (1) Pres. Hinckley (or the editor/ghostwriter) made a mistake in the original Ensign article or (2) most people interpreted it as a challenge so eventually the First Presidency went along with it.

Either way, the point is that the First Presidency has challenged us via their letter, which clarifies and changes our previous interpretation of the Ensign article. I understand that you don’t want to sacrifice your previously planned personal study, so don’t. A challenge is just a challenge. It’s not a sin to not read the BOM before the end of the year.

It doesn’t matter much to me, anyway, as I have many, many other things in my reading queue.

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By: Anonymous https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1486 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1486 Hmmm, this reminds me of the whole earring and tattoo uproar. The word the Prophet chose to use was that the first presidency “discourages” multiple piercings and tattoos. I don’t see them “discouraging” drugs and alchohol or adultry….so I would say it’s not technically a commandment.

The Coke issue is also a good example of a misinterpretation and misguided fanaticism. Unfortunately those people who grasp so tenaciously on to these insignificant issues are the same ones doing far more grievous offenses to mankind whilst obnoxiously preaching about the evils of Coke or tattos or not reading the Book of Mormon by the end of the year. Unfortunately, many members have a heart attack when they see someone with an additional ear piercing, probably the same type of people who like to freak out about facial hair etc. It’s these kinds of people that give religious obedience a bad name. Very unfortunate indeed.

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By: Anonymous https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1487 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1487 Two questions:

1) Does your “reputation for semantics” help or hurt your ability to be a good Elder’s quorum leader?

2) Since most important communication, such as President Henckley’s Book of Mormon challenge, involves humans, and hence is and always will be imperfect, is it effective or ineffective to always focus on the letter of the law [message] rather than the spirit of the law [message]?

And, it has been my observation that your obsession with precise syntax has resulted in the need for your wife to frequently provide defensive explanations on your behalf. Perhaps this is an image you may want to change, but then again maybe not.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1488 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1488 1) Neither.

2) Neither.

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By: Mary Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1489 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1489 Well, actually, Anonymous (what do people have against using their names??) I don’t “need” to come to Kim’s defense. And I don’t defend him. I explain him since there are some people who insist on misunderstanding him. And I don’t do it that often.

This is because some people are looking for some hidden message in what he says, honestly, I do NOT know why, and persist in thinking he means something completely different (or they just can’t read properly).

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1490 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1490 “some people are looking for some hidden message in what he says, honestly, I do NOT know why”

Because they’re too focused on the spirit of the law.

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By: NFlanders https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/09/15/minimalistic/comment-page-1/#comment-1491 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=260#comment-1491 Wait, don’t get side-tracked with Anonymous. Do you have a response to my comment? Even if GBH didn’t originally mean it to be for this year, the letter certainly now says it is for this year.

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