Comments on: Linking Scriptures – Part II https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/ Thought-provoking commentary on life, politics, religion and social issues. Tue, 30 Nov -001 00:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: The Shy Peddler https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-941 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=196#comment-941 All false religions, such as Mormonism, have to “add” to the Bible. Yours is a works religion, You must be save by faith in Jesus alone. The BOM will lead you to hell. Jesus is the only way not works or Joe Smith.

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-942 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=196#comment-942 Actually, Mormons believe that salvation comes through the grace of Jesus Christ.

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By: Jason W https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-943 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=196#comment-943 Perhaps “the shy peddler” will one day look deeper into the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and sacrifice made by Jesus and then pray to be enlightened with the truth.

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By: J Scherer https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-944 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=196#comment-944 Shy Peddler,
Have you even read anything which Larry has written? To say that mormonism is a works religion shows a level ignorance to our doctrine. I have never known a Mormon who believed that they will be saved on their own merit. Perhaps you should consult with soem LDS before you make definitive statements of what LDS believe?

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By: Kim Siever https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-945 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=196#comment-945 Thanks for this Larry. It is a good post.

In a meeting recently, our bishop stated that while many are motivated to action by fear or reward, he hoped that we would be motivated by love.

I think you have encapsulated his thoughts perfectly with the scriptures.

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By: Anonymous https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-946 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=196#comment-946 Larry,

This post is good and timely.
as you may have gathered by reading some of my comments on other blogs, I’ve struggle with an anxiety disorder of sorts over the last couple of years. With such, the expectations that I place upon myself because of a bass-ackwards way of living the gospel (ie, do it until you feel like doing it) can be quite painful–even to the point being psychologically traumatizing. No joke!

I think it’s important for us to remember that, while we are required to do our best, out best really isn’t very good. I like what Hugh Nibley said (in so many words), that none of us is very smart or strong or courageous or even virtuous(!), so why get hung up on how poorly we’re doing? It really does boil down to faith in Christ–believing that He’ll sustain us.

Also, I think when we become overly focused on works that we tend to build a belief within ourselves that we are unacceptable to the Lord. We forget that if the Spirit is a striving with us that this should be a sign that the Lord accepts us–even with all our weaknesses. You cannot receive a remission of sins without receiving the Holy Ghost.

Jack

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By: Smiles https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-947 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=196#comment-947 This is a great post!! I find I do that all the time when I am reading the scriptures… I end up going \back and forth so many times with the references etc that I end up losing my place of where I started from. It amazes me still to this say of how the scriptures are so inter related.

It just proves to me that all of our scriptures, the Testaments, the Book of Mormon and the D&C all work hand in hand. Thank you for this post

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By: Larry https://www.ourthoughts.ca/2005/06/02/linking-scriptures-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-948 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.ourthoughts.ca/?p=196#comment-948 Jack,

You make a good point. The interesting thing is that we often don’t even know the Holy Ghost is working with us. He is required, though, to have our sins burned out of us.
In saying that we don’t often know He is with us, it is important to understand that when we think He is not, we are playing on the devil’s territory, because he would have us believe we are not worthy.
The other important issue is doing our best. How do we measure that? Is it by how we feel? Can’t be. Is it by what we think? I believe that is unreliable too?
I believe that the reason the Lord looks upon the heart is that it is far enough away, and deep enough, to be beyond tampering, even by ourselves.
With all the adversity that mortality brings to some, some brought on by genetics, some by environment, and some by ourselves, it can be too onerous for us to do effective self analysis. We do become hyper-critical. Consequently we create a hell often, instead of a heaven on earth.
That is why I place so much emphasis on pre-earth existence.
Mortality takes on a whole different perspective for me than most Church members. I do not believe that we are here to “prove” ourselves as some would define it (that’s why I used scare qoutes).
The essential nature of mortality, to me, is to gain a body and gain experience. This is the Lord’s plan. We are willingly participating in it because of what He has to offer. The greatest blessing that one can have in mortality, is to know that Jesus is the Christ, that He suffered and died for us, and was resurrected, thus enabling us to live forever.
The right (?) to that testimony was earned in the pre-earth life where we exercised our agency and chose to be valiant or not.
When we read John 10:25-29, there is not much doubt in my mind He knows who we are.

That is why we go to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, – to gather scattered Israel.
His promises to those who choose Him is eternal life. It doesn’t come with ands, ifs or buts, but rather with a sure knowledge that we will be exalted.
Mortality is the 2nd act in a 3 act play (I believe Bro. Packer used that analogy). It has a part but it is not the whole part.

Back to this being God’s plan; if we are placed in the circumstances we are, on an ad hoc basis, and we all have to become as close to perfect as the best person we are aware of, in order to be saved, then there is no justice and no mercy.
If on the other hand this is God’s plan, and He knows all, including who we are, what our faithfulness was in the pre-earth sphere, and we rejoiced when it was presented to us, then the purpose here is exactly as illustrated in the temple.
Those who were faithful there, get to make covenants here (including the spirit world) and all will rejoice.

My mind was working at a frenetic pace as I was doing this under a time constraint. I hope it makes sense.

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