Comments on: Linking Scriptures – Part I

By: voli ciampino

voli ciampino — Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:58:12 +0000

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By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

You may be interested in a post I made on this topic a couple of months ago. Idea Interconnectivity in the Scriptures

By: Larry Bates

Larry Bates — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for bringing that back. I actually started on this trail as a result of your blog. Unfortunately, I couldn't remember the name of it and couldn't give it proper credit on the positive side.
Just as a side note, because I will be referring to those same scriptures in the future, my studies have indicated that they are a reference to the atonement, which is really a confirmation of your conclusion regarding eternal life.
I trust that the manner in which I wrote this piece does not turn people off.
I really hope that it starts a discussion on the Gospel, because it would be fun, and a growing experience, to continue down this road for a while.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Larry, Fun stuff!

I would be interested in your definition of "office". My question is not an adversarial one. I would just like to have a better feel for where you're going with this.

I can say that I think some of my own ideas about the role of the Savior do seem to parallel yours--as I understand them. What I'm unclear of at this point is whether or not the title "Anointed One" can really be seperated from the individual with whom it is associated in our theology. I think it's possible, to a certain extent, to look at it conceptually in order to get a better handle on what it means for the Savior to be a savior. But which is primal, that being whom we worship as our Lord, or the office that He holds of Great High Priest?

Jack

By: Larry Bates

Larry Bates — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Jack,

That is an interesting question. Let me give you my take on it.

If we study facsimile #1, and it's been 25 years since I did my study - so I could be getting stale, the throne of God is actually an altar, which means that the one who sits on it becomes the sacrifice.
Since God the Father is a resurrected being, He cannot sit on the throne until the sacrifice is performed.
Therefore a substitute must be provided. Not just any substitute, but one who represents all the qualities of the one being substituted for. Hence the need to be like the Father in all His perfections, except He cannot be immortal.
Without going into further detail at this point, the short answer is that the office has to exist as an eternal principle, but the one who occupies it does so of his own volition and the perfect exercise of his agency.
That may sound convoluted at this point - let me know and we can go into more detail - perhaps by private e-mail.
It's good to hear from you.

By the way, I may be going down to Orem in July with my wife. It would be great to get together, if possible.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Larry,

That's interesting. Typically we view the Atonement as a vicarious sacrifice for God's children--a scape goat as in the Law of Moses. Your view seems to suggest that the role of the Savior is to stand in the place of both Diety AND humanity. Christ therefore becomes the medium by which the two are reunited, but not only by elevating humanity. He also has the power to condescend as Diety thereby enabling God to reach as low as is necessary in order to clasp hands with his children in His effort to pull them up. Cool.

My email address is:
ejc1988@yahoo.com

Let me know when/if you're coming through town!

Jack

By: Larry Bates

Larry Bates — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Well said.