Comments on: Symbolism and Realism in the Scriptures

By: nshumate

nshumate — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

A question which presages any of those questions:

What is the theological import — and more specifically, what is the import to my salvation — if this account is literal or figurative?

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I think you might find Keith E. Norman's article Adam's Navel interesting.

By: Don

Don — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Which do you want them to be? Some we have revelation on, the temple tells us in regards to Adam and Eve. Others...does it matter which they are? Either way, much can be learned from them.

Maybe we should take them both ways and see what we can learn from each.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Don, your comment brings up two comments I want to make.

1. Why do you consider the endowment ceremony to be revelation?

2. Why do you consider the endowment ceremony tells us whether the story of Adam and Eve is symbolic or realistic? Isn't the ceremony itself symbolic?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

A nitpick. The 24-day thing isn't actually a symbol, since the Hebrew word behind "day" in Genesis can also denote a period of time. It's not symbolic per se, just a broader semantic range in Hebrew than in English.

That said, we know of at least one element of the creation story that is "symbolic" or not literal- woman being formed from a rib.

Ben S.

By: Brian Duffin

Brian Duffin — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

In the scriptures we learn that a thousand years is like a day to God, so it is not outside the realm of possibility that He created the Earth in a mere six Celestial days.

Moreover, I am not sure that science presents the best baseline whereby we can affirm the timeline of the creation. That being said, I still give science a great deal of credence.

Our bodies are composed of many elements, sodium being one of them, so it is not outside the realm of possibility that Lot's wife did indeed turn to salt. I am no scientist, but I am confident that God uses natural laws in such matters.

Finally, faith is a key component for those things which I cannot explain and/or comprehend. In some cases, further study and prayer help resolve certain issues. It is by this very process that I began to comprehend--in a very small way--the teachings of the endowment.

By: J. Stapley

J. Stapley — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Our bodies are composed of many elements, sodium being one of them, so it is not outside the realm of possibility that Lot's wife did indeed turn to salt. I am no scientist, but I am confident that God uses natural laws in such matters.

Technically speaking, all minerals are salts. Ash is the minerals that are left over after something burns. So if she spontaneously combusted she could have turn into "salt". However, The hebrews didn't call ash salt, so this doesn't work.

Applying "celestial time" to the Hebrew creation narrative is *not* a good idea. It would be a complete misreading. (See Blake Ostlers rebuttle of New Mormon Challenge's piece on creation ex nihilo.

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Brian, if you are worried about cognitive dissonance, then you would be better off not using the â€œ1-day to God = 1000 years to manâ€ justification, because 6000 years is still many billions of years short of reconciling a literal interpretation of the bible with accepted science.

By: Kim Siever

Kim Siever — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Jeff,

While I agree with you that 6,000 years is inaccurate, I'd hardly call it many billions of years short. I certainly would consider 4.5 billion (minus 6,000) to be many.

By: Jeff Milner

Jeff Milner — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Point taken. So it should read:

"6000 years is still 4.5 BILLION years short of reconciling a literal interpretation of the bible with accepted science."

Sorry for seeming to exaggerate originally, but the truth is that 4.5 billion is still 750,000 times bigger than 6000. Not a close call by any means.